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    Freedom of expression or cultural disrespect on Cinco de Mayo?

    On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.

    Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

    "They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

    The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

    "They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

    The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."

    "I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

    But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

    "I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

    As for an apology, the boys and their families say, 'fat chance.'

    "I'm not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong," Galli said. "I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I'm an American and I'm proud to be an American."

    The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district and the school do not see eye-to-eye on the incident and released the following statement:

    The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.

    The boys will not be suspended and were allowed to return to school Thursday. We spotted one of them when he got to campus -- and, yes, he was sporting an American flag T-shirt.

    - Source -
    What the heck were these people thinking?

  • #2
    Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

    Here is a hint.....YOU ARE IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I'm sorry, but the constant catering to other people has hurt this country. I am all for them celebrating their holiday. In fact, I celebrate it with some of my hispanic friends (mostly for the cuervo ;) ) but this is just stupid. "I'm sorry, I know you are living in America and you are an American citizen, but you cant dislpay the American flag today because its a Mexican holiday."....Uh........NO!

    I promise this though, if had been the fourth of july, and someone was wearing a Mexican flag shirt, and they where told to take it off because its "An American Holiday" there would be eleventy thousand news stories, claims of racism, and someone would be getting sued into poverty. This is just stupid.

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    • #3
      Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

      I'm all for cultural pride and a healthy education and partaking in enjoying the culture of others, but that is pretty stupid.
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      • #4
        Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

        High schools are not automatically free speech zones. The kids were clearly doing it in opposition of a school recognized holiday, and this isn't catering to 'other people' it is catering to the notedly large population of 'Mexican Americans' which are also known as Americans who immigrated or are descendants of immigrants from Mexico. This would be like wearing a British flag to a St Patrick's Day parade, intended to send a message to a specific set of immigrants that their cultural heritage isn't accepted.

        The administration asking them to stop is appropriate in this case.
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        • #5
          Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

          Actually the St. Patty's day analogy by Snoogs is a good one... see.. they are both about the Booze!!! Thanks Corona!... BTW..Since they don't give a Shizzle in Mexico about this day (kinda like St. Patty's day in Ireland )..it's not a real holiday.. Just another hallmark Moment to motivate Americans to spend money...
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          • #6
            Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

            I bet there's more to the story than is reported in that article. If the school took such drastic measures, it's unlikely the boys were just wearing such shirts and bandannas. They were likely also causing a disturbance, using these articles of clothing as props to do something inappropriate.

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            • #7
              Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

              Originally posted by sordavie View Post
              I bet there's more to the story than is reported in that article. If the school took such drastic measures, it's unlikely the boys were just wearing such shirts and bandannas. They were likely also causing a disturbance, using these articles of clothing as props to do something inappropriate.
              Maybe, but maybe not. Thats a very large assumption. However, it could be valid. Hurray for unbiased reporting!

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              • #8
                Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                I agree with the St Paddys thing to a point. I have never worked a St Paddys day in my life, but would rather die that wrap an Irish flag around me (no offence). I would never go out with a Union Jack on however, but have went out with St. Patricks cross which is red and white, and has caused.......issues in the past.

                Look, its like this. Every single one of you annoys the hell out of someone else, simple by being you. It is fact. This story is ridiculous, but not unique to the USA, it happens in the UK too. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, I mean, now the US has to pander the the minorities and be all PC as well, maybe we can all sink together?

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                • #9
                  Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                  Originally posted by Dredge View Post
                  Maybe, but maybe not. Thats a very large assumption. However, it could be valid. Hurray for unbiased reporting!
                  I didn't say it assumed it was true. I said I'd wager there's more to the story. But yes. Maybe it's exactly as reported and maybe not.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                    There is good reason to believe that students who are so proud to wear a US flag during an ethnic ceremony were doing so as a form of protest, so unless the reporter confirmed that they just happened to normally wear US flag clothing, harbor no ill will towards Mexicans and were innocently caught in some administrative PC master plan it is easy to believe that there is more to the story and the report is either biased and left the details out intentionally or the reporter is incompetent.

                    This is like the veteran who 'couldn't fly his flag' when in reality he couldn't fly it on a flagpole but could fly the flag itself.

                    Hey, look what I found!
                    Kathleen Sullivan, a Morgan Hill Unified School District board trustee, said Live Oak also experienced problems on Cinco de Mayo last year.

                    She said some students had complained to the principal and vice principal that they had felt intimidated by students waving American flags.

                    In response to those complaints, school authorities had asked students not to provoke other students by wearing or waving flags this year, Sullivan said.


                    "The district's position is that that is not in our policy," Sullivan said. "But the underlying reason for it was student safety."
                    http://www.ktvu.com/news/23470391/detail.html
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                    • #11
                      Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                      Originally posted by snooggums View Post
                      This is like the veteran who 'couldn't fly his flag' when in reality he couldn't fly it on a flagpole but could fly the flag itself.
                      How else you supposed to fly it? lol.

                      I totally agree snoogs. We are just going off of what someone else thought of the situation basically. So, unless we go talk to them ourselves we are S.O.L really. Either way...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!! ;)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                        Yea. Probably kicked for being a bung hole, they just happen to be wearing flag colored and patterned clothing while being bung holes.

                        Personally I find "flag wear" to be a bit offensive. I think the flag should be held with a bit more respect than fashion.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                          Originally posted by El_Gringo_Grande View Post
                          Yea. Probably kicked for being a bung hole, they just happen to be wearing flag colored and patterned clothing while being bung holes.

                          Personally I find "flag wear" to be a bit offensive. I think the flag should be held with a bit more respect than fashion.
                          http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm#q031

                          According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

                          The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

                          Source: Flag Code, Section 3

                          Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

                          The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."
                          The Flag Code is just a voluntary code for respect of the flag, but yeah.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                            I agree to a small extent. When I was in Iraq, I wore a US Flag bandana under my kevlar helmet. I didnt see anything wrong or insulting. Now, I do have a problem with people making HUGE flashy flag outfits as a fashion statement as opposed to actually wearing the flag for what it represents.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

                              Did everyone miss my quote that this is something that was the results of actions from the previous year that intimidated the Cinco de Mayo participants, and that the students were aware they were not allowed to wear US flag apparel on that day due to concerns of conflict including possible fights? They chose to wear a flag out of disrespect, not out of patriotism, unless they equate patriotism and being 'proud to be an American' with intentionally provoking an issue when they knew that it was a problem from the previous year. I guess real Americans don't include recent immigrants.

                              I think the flag code is a silly and outdated idea, it is just a symbol and while a guide to how to do it right it should never be a law punishing people for not respecting the symbol. I find commercialism of the flag (stickers, car magnets, car ads, and other displays of empty patriotism) way worse a treatment than someone burning it as a symbolic gesture.
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