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    Well, this is quite a milestone.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...oops-exit-iraq

    Your thoughts?
    He was told that he should not kill, and he did not kill, until he got into the Army. Then he was told to kill, and he killed.

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    It's spin. "Officially", the last "combat troops" have exited Iraq, but on the ground not much has actually changed.

    From some folks:
    50,000 noncombat troops made up of guess what--IBCTs, HBCTs, SBCTs, and a whole bunch of staff guys.

    I hate how the media is spinning this when we will still have dudes outside the wire.
    (Infantry Brigade Combat Teams, Heavy Brigade Combat Teams, and Stryker Brigade Combat Teams, fyi)

    I'm at Polk Range Control these days. I see the JRTC rotations for the "advise and assist" brigades that are going over for New Dawn and they look the same as the late OIF rotations.

    I know a substantial number of the "advise and assist" 50,000 are from maneuver brigades, so I found the news that the "last combat brigade" was leaving to be...hmmm, ironic isn't the word I'm looking for, but perhaps "a false milestone"?
    ...among other "yeah, suuuuure" or "they have? guess we missed that memo" commentary.

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      Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

      I still believe USA should have never involved itself in Iraq in the first place. All Iraq did was divert USA's attention away from Afghanistan.

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        shouldnt have been there in the 1st place.

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        • #5
          Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

          Originally posted by Gill
          (Infantry Brigade Combat Teams, Heavy Brigade Combat Teams, and Stryker Brigade Combat Teams, fyi)
          Wait, then how do they distinguish between combat and non-combat troops?
          He was told that he should not kill, and he did not kill, until he got into the Army. Then he was told to kill, and he killed.

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          • #6
            Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

            Originally posted by FL1Pmode View Post
            I still believe USA should have never involved itself in Iraq in the first place. All Iraq did was divert USA's attention away from Afghanistan.
            Perfectly said
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            • #7
              Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

              Originally posted by Mercenary90 View Post
              Wait, then how do they distinguish between combat and non-combat troops?
              They're being disingenuous. There's no difference.

              There are restrictions placed upon the US troops in Iraq now (such as day-time operations being severely restricted) and the Iraqis are taking lead in security, but we're still there doing stuff.

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              • #8
                Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

                Interesting to know.

                On another note, combat casualties have been decreasing/very low ever since they pulled out of cities, correct? Do they expect to make more withdrawals of troops and deploy them to Afghanistan?
                He was told that he should not kill, and he did not kill, until he got into the Army. Then he was told to kill, and he killed.

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                • #9
                  Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

                  Originally posted by Mercenary90 View Post
                  Do they expect to make more withdrawals of troops and deploy them to Afghanistan?
                  Yes. They are upping the #'s in the "Stan" in the hopes that it will go like Iraq did when they increased numbers.

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                  • #10
                    Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

                    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...iref=obnetwork

                    Editor's Note: Arwa Damon is one of CNN's Iraq specialists and has reported extensively on events in Baghdad.

                    Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- "It's so bad, the security situation is so bad in Baghdad, Arwa, it really is you have to believe me," one of our maintenance staff said to me, his eyes welling with tears.

                    In all my years here, even when the violence was at its worst, I have never seen him so distraught -- about a week ago.

                    The most recent killing had been that morning. An 18-year-old murdered and his sister wounded. Their father was in the south for the anniversary of the death of his father, who was killed in a roadside bombing a year ago. While the father was away, gunmen stormed into the house and shot the kids. The father says he does not know why and the gunmen have not been found.

                    "We accept that we don't have [electrical] power, we can deal with the lack of clean water," the maintenance man said. "But the security, the security, we can't handle this anymore."

                    He stepped in closer as if he was sharing a secret, his eyes pleading for an answer, a solution, an end.



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                    "When I ride my motorbike I am always checking left and right. In the street I am always looking around me," he whispered. "You just don't know anymore, the person next to you could kill you."

                    That kind of talk was common during what Iraqis call the "dark years" when the sectarian warfare was at its worst and al Qaeda and other extremists controlled swaths of the country.

                    It was a time when every night we would get the "unidentified body count" from the authorities; a time when Iraqis would travel with two IDs -- one Sunni, one Shia.

                    People had to watch what they said and where they said it for fear of the consequences. Neighbors turned on each other as society disintegrated and gave birth to an evil that took many by surprise.

                    And here, it seems the talk and whispers are coming back -- even though violence is far below its peak.

                    Iraqis have felt a level of optimism, of hope, most recently after the elections in March. But now, five months on with no new government formed and U.S. troop withdrawals, that seems to have died.

                    Baghdad is grimmer than I have ever seen it. But it's different from those "dark years." It is a different type of despair that seems to have settled on the capital.

                    Many Iraqis say it's because they feel everyone is failing them, from the Americans to the Iraqi politicians.

                    There was much fanfare and media attention surrounding the departure of the last U.S. combat convoy -- as if the war was somehow suddenly over and Iraq had transformed into a peaceful, prosperous country. That come August 31, the 50,000 U.S. troops remaining in country to "advise and assist" Iraqi forces would be able to cast aside their weapons, armor, flak vests and helmets.

                    As fellow journalist Nir Rosen put it: "It's not like the U.S. military is going to be running around with fly swatters and mace."

                    The U.S. will "officially" have a "noncombat" mission in a war zone. This remains a country where Westerners can't walk through the streets without fear of being kidnapped and beheaded.

                    It's a country where government officials, nongovernmental organization workers and the media still remain targets. It's a country where Iraqis check under their vehicles for magnetic bombs because you still don't know if someone wants you dead or not.

                    People often joke: "You know the war is over, right?"

                    It's survivalist black humor. The kind Iraqis know all too well. The kind those of us who have been here for a while developed, though we never mastered it as well as our Iraqi friends and colleagues.

                    The kind that is bred out of desperation, out of the knowledge that you have to laugh, you have to keep it together because you don't have a choice.

                    Iraqis have survived so much, and now many fear the situation is deteriorating. Maybe not to the degree of the "dark years," but enough for the whispers to come back.

                    Less than a week after that departing U.S. convoy drove through the border gates, the U.S. military put out a press release: A U.S. Forces-Iraq soldier was killed today in Basra while conducting operations in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The name of the deceased is being withheld pending notification of next of kin and release by the Department of Defense.

                    And militants Wednesday launched a wave of bombings across the country, mostly targeting security forces. At least 48 people died and at least 286 others were wounded in 13 cities.

                    People are still dying here. A friend and fellow journalist said last week as he walked into the newsroom: "Another killing in my neighborhood last night. Gun. With silencer." He counted on his fingers; that's the third killing in four days.

                    "Who are they targeting?" I asked.

                    "It's all government, government officials. These assassinations are really worrying me," he said.

                    "You have to be careful," I responded.

                    "Careful? Ha! How? You know we Iraqis, we have many differences. But there is one thing that we all agree on, and that is that we want security and stability. Power is second."

                    He turned and walked away. It's deep sorrow. And it's not over.

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                      Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

                      I think it's still somewhat of a milestone. At least it means the end is tangibly in sight. I know it's a bit of semantics but didn't the same hold true for Vietnam and other military occupations?

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                      • #12
                        Re: US Troops Withdraw from Iraq

                        Originally posted by Sirusblk View Post
                        At least it means the end is tangibly in sight.
                        Ha.

                        Anyway. Jon Stewart's interview with Tony Blair makes some solid points about the whole fiasco.

                        I know it's a bit of semantics but didn't the same hold true for Vietnam and other military occupations?
                        I'd say Iraq is about on par with Vietnam. It's different **** and a new pile admittedly, but it's still another pile of ****.

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                        I'd recommend reading the book Cobra II.

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                        • #13
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                          Without breaking OPSEC I cant say too much about what or where I am heading, but I am heading to Iraq soon in the last Assist and Advise Brigades (AAB). Gill, you quoted someone talking about being at JRTC. I'm not exactly sure if that was you or someone else, but the soldiers going through Ft Polk are being trained alot differently than they would be for previous mission into Iraq and current missions into the 'Stan.

                          We are less active in direct conflicts and more concerned with training, molding and assisting the Iraqi Army (IA). See, AAB-assist? The ROE will change to reflect the new mission but I cant say much more than that. Rules for Use of Force (RUF) has been added, which is not normal for a Combat theater. This is normally reserved for Peace Keeping or Peace Enforcement and security operations. Seeing a difference now? Here is another difference. We are severly restricted in unilateral operations. Almost all missions must be coordinated with or through the Iraqi Government. Without going into more detail, there is a big difference in how American troops will operate in Iraq. I wished I could go into more detail, but trust in this. Yes, the last of the combat troops are withdrawaling. Yes, its semantics, but with a change in the mission statement. No, we arent training to be extracted by helo from embassy rooftops.

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                          • #14
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                            ^

                            Thats why I'm glad I went during the "Invasion Phase". They started changing ROE my last go round and made it almost a death sentence to fire your weapon in sector. Too hell with that man. Watch yourself over there.

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                            • #15
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                              They will be out of Iraq soon, especially when wikileaks lets out this bombshell.



                              When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. ~ Jimi Hendrix

                              And isn't it a bad thing to be deceived about the truth, and a good thing to know what the truth is? For I assume that by knowing the truth you mean knowing things as they really are. ~ Plato

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