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  • The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

    The issue of the USA's military leadership seeing itself as intrinsically better than the population it serves, with all the ethical implications that implies, has been identified by scholars such as Chalmers A. Johnson, for some decades now.

    Today in the New York Times:
    "The United States is at risk of developing a cadre of military leaders who are cut off politically, culturally and geographically from the population they are sworn to protect, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told an audience at Duke University on Wednesday night."

    Whereas Gates naturally puts the issue in terms of "at risk", military historians and sociologists have argued that it is already a fait accompli.
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    Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

    Hasn't this concept been the expected trope that all movies, games, and books (hello Tom Clancy) apply to the military for like the last 50 years?

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      Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

      Originally posted by E-Male View Post
      Today in the New York Times:
      "The United States is at risk of developing a cadre of military leaders who are cut off politically, culturally and geographically from the population they are sworn to protect, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told an audience at Duke University on Wednesday night."
      So, Gates wants the military to be more intune with our population on a cultural level??? Uhhh,,, no thanks, but i dont want my military talking about "The Jersey Shore" or Dancing with the Friggin Stars while they are getting shot at!

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        Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

        Originally posted by HiTestFest View Post
        So, Gates wants the military to be more intune with our population on a cultural level??? Uhhh,,, no thanks, but i dont want my military talking about "The Jersey Shore" or Dancing with the Friggin Stars while they are getting shot at!
        Too late :p

        The problem with training leaders in ROTC programs at "elite" campuses is that it fosters the "I'm better" attitude that alot of junior officers have. "I went to Yale, so I know whats best". BS. You're spoiled and get what you want and now you are in charge of soldiers. The problem with leaders being "cut off" as he says, is because of that exact problem. They are full of themselves and separate themselves from anything and everyone that isn't part of that "in crowd".

        Thats why I only trust NCO's.

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          Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

          After the experience of my first "civilian" job, it was hard NOT to feel "superior" in light of the things they bitched and moaned about. Really, really trivial crap day-in and day-out.

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            Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

            Its a similar situation across all western military I bet, and can say it is still occasionally apparent in the British military as well. However one thing I DID find is that because a lot of our younger officers come from a more "normalised" background now (Normal state school as opposed to a private school, a regular University not Oxford/Cambridge etc) then a lot of the upper class crap has no effect on them. RMA Sandhurst itself has an excellent reputation for fairness and individuality, more than some Military Acadamies. While it does exist here, and our military leaders are supposed to stay out of Politics, I have read enough of their autobiographies to know that a lot of these guys are just amazing individuals. These 2 come to mind.

            Gen Sir Peter de la Billiere

            Gen Sir Mike Jackson

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              Re: The US Military: An Isolated Elite?

              I think that's a phenomenon which is pretty common. Mostly among communities or jobs which require more than a 9 to 5 routine.

              Being a soldier is not a mere job, it's only possible with a bit of dedication I think.
              Think of seamen or fishermen. They 'sail' the most dangerous seas to catch rare and expensive fish, they work in a permanently cold and wet environment in which every other person would just get seasick and scared to death because of huge waves and bad weather. To them it's business as usual.

              So when they talk or think about landsmen don't you think they'll have this almost inevitable arrogance in their thoughts?
              'If they'd only knew what we endure every day, what we are capable of, while they're just sitting on their arses in warm and dry offices...'
              I recon they'd think the same way of Navy guys on huge carriers. It's like a swimming fortress which propbaly doesn't get too affected by weather and sea state.
              'Real' seamen on their tiny cutters would propably call them sissies x]

              So... As soon as a group of people lives in very special environments or act under very special circumstances the thought of self-chosen isolation and superiority is almost mandatory.
              Which of course, doesn't imply that those thoughts are correct or justified.
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