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    98% Downloaded just was wondering if i should start with a certain race. Also how do people make money in eve to upgrade just mining? cause it would seem inefficent to me if you pvp with a small ship and have to mine with it and seems like alot of back and forth. but then again i have no clue what i'm talking about and could be completely wrong.

    also i saw a video online of this huge ship and was wondering how to get one of those?

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    Re: Going to try EVE

    Since the last patch race doesn't matter that much. You start off using your race's start ships and a few skills geared towards that race's ships, but you can train up and use any other ship. Don't make a Caldari character though since they smell funny ;)

    There are several ways of making money: running missions for NPC agents, mining, trading (buy low, sell high), etc. There are specialized ships geared for mining. I find running combat missions to be very profitable.

    Larger ships require you to train not only the skills to fly the ship, but many support skills such as gunnery, shield/armor skills, capacitor management, drones, etc. You'll probably have to train for a few months to get into a battleship, and at least a year for a capital ship.

    Be sure to drop by the TGULT-PUB channel for tips and how to join us!



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    • #3
      Re: Going to try EVE

      Sadly i made a Caldari and they smell fine so far :P How to i join TGULT-PUB channel?

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        Re: Going to try EVE

        first of all, ask yourself what do you want from this game? Do you want

        A: PvP, uber epic fights, light roaming gangs, gate camps. Youll be specialising towards LIGHT TECH 2 Ships like Heavy Assult Cruisers, Assault Frigates, Interdictors, interceptors etc: anything thats tech2 and not a marauder/black ops.

        B: Mining, Mining and mroe mining (jk) mining in a fleet, dealing with industry, hauling ore around and possibly building stuff and getting into research to make BPC's to build stuff. Youll be specialing towards Tech2 Mining Barges i.e: Skifs, Mackinaws and Hulks all used for different purposes.

        C:PvE: do you like the idea of making loads of money throuhg combat? Exploration, doing DUNGEONS (Deadspace), running missions, probing out and scanning out hidden complexes etc? Youll be specialising towards Battleships and the marauder class also specialising towards scanning and cov ops frigates.

        D: Trade, Politics and Market Manipulation: this mostly applies if you are a stock broker irl or suming, basically the economy in eve is just as complex as economy real life. You can make a fine carrer trading and make BILLIONS of isk, trading is the best way to make money in eve - PERIOD. You can set up remote contracts, buy orders, sell orders, invest into banks, buy shares etc. You spend 90% of the time in a station and 10% in a freighter/industrial.

        those are pretty much the main themes of the game you have to pick one and stick to it for at least a few months to get any descent in it so pick yours carefully.you can always decide on another profession any time but youd waste time learning some skills (not all) that arent used in the other profession i.e: Mining if you are going to be all out combat.

        CAPITAL SHIPS:
        I myself actually fly all caldari capital ships including super caps, it took over 2 yars of training, do not consider this carrier at all unless you get into one of the above ones first. Every aspect has a capital ship:

        Freighters: used for industry and trade
        Rorquals: used mainly for mining and ore compression
        Carriers: carriers are ships that dont focus on damage at all, but mroe on repairing and supporting the fleet: anyone who tells you carriers do damage is a retard.
        Dreadnaughts: Used only for POS Siege and Capital Fleet engagements
        Motherships: A bigger, better and more pricier Carrier basically
        Titans: A bigger better and pricier dreadnaught, but can set up portals to jump fleets through.

        Capital ships are basically support ships, they are NOT EVER intended for use for a single person, to put it bluntly, a capital ship doesnt benefit YOU in any way, but it benefits your GANG/TEAM and thats why they are support ships. They are very specialised to do a specific job as listed and cost a lot of money, require a lot of skills etc.

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          Re: Going to try EVE

          Originally posted by GenTrae View Post
          Sadly i made a Caldari and they smell fine so far :P How to i join TGULT-PUB channel?
          Click the Channels & Mailing Lists button on sidebar -> Channels tab -> Join -> Type in channel name.



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          • #6
            Re: Going to try EVE

            well atm i been following this military guide thing and combat dosn't seem that exciting to me it seems like you just put a thing on follow and lock on and attack and keep shields up and ect. is that basicly it but thats pve so i guess its different the pvp attracts me though.

            so Can you explane Options A and D? also i have like 600k isk and i donno what i should upgrade

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            • #7
              Re: Going to try EVE

              Originally posted by tau_neutrino View Post
              Don't make a Caldari character though since they smell funny ;)
              Lies.

              Eve Online is the game that gave me the most intense PvP experience. So in my opinion if you really want to get a feeling of the game you need to chose a PvP career. There are more options here but the main aspect of anything that goes on in Eve regardless of the career you chose is your Wallet and the group you find to spend your Eve-time with.

              If u decide to go the PvP way u also need a similar way of making money and combat missions are the way to go because the skills u train for PvP are useful for PvE also, it's the fitting of your ship that's different. At first PvP will not help u make money because u'll lose many ships due to lack of experience and skills, but as long as your mission running covers the bills is ok, in time u'll learn to survive. The nr. one asset u have in eve are your skill points, not the isk, so keep your clone updated always. Don't wait to feel ready to start PvP-ing, u'll never do, the more u wait and the more missions u run the harder will be for u to accept the loss of a ship.

              Before u gain some PvP exp and get some proficiency with cruisers stick to frigates and max up your skills at frigates first, to be able to use Tech 2 weapons and other modules. Main reason is that frigs are cheap and never rig your frigs. Any gang u'll fly in will need tacklers and frigs perform well in that role. When u have decided on a fitting for your PvP frig assemble more than 1 and keep your frigs and clone close to combat area, u'll die is inevitable, but is important after u've been killed not to waste another 30 minutes to go buy modules and fit another ship, just have spares, combat ready, jump in one and return to your gang as fast as possible to support your mates, because even thou u might be dead your mates might still be in combat and in need of help, just remember to install another clone appropriate to your SP before u leave the station in the situation your pod has also been killed, is important.

              Don't be in a rush to fly a bigger ship, it might not help u as much as u think. Think instead what is the role u are going to perform on the battlefield and max those skills up before u think of changing to a bigger ship, and remember bigger ships cost more. Don't let anyone tell u that your role is less important, all count in battle.

              Example:

              http://www.maelstrom-crew.net/KB/?a=...ail&kll_id=114
              or
              http://www.maelstrom-crew.net/KB/?a=...il&kll_id=2274

              Tech 2 frigate size ships killing Battleships. Remember this the bigger the gun the less chance to be hit if your radial speed/speed is high, so orbit the ship u're tackling don't just stand there.

              Caldari, Caldari, Caldari ... I am Caldari. Main issue with Caldari is that u have to chose between missiles or guns. Half the ships are made for missiles and the other half are made for Hybrid (good for mainly sniping as gun projectile do instant damage while missiles have to travel to the target). Missiles are better for running missions and tackling in PvP, while guns can do wrecking shots(double damage) and that makes them better for PvP in the damage dealing role. The problem is that missiles and guns have different support skills so maxing up both and getting T2 weapons in both cases takes allot of time so for the beginning chose one and stick to it.

              If u just run missions and don't get in to the exciting stuff u'll soon find the game boring and just quit it. Learning skills takes time so be patient, but in the mean time u can work on your combat skills with a corp buddy to develop fast tackling skills, learn how to use the scanner how to track someone and how to scout, how to report hostiles and stuff like that.


              In Eve Intel and Logistics have a major role, so is important to know what your intel channels are and how to report not to burden your fleet commander or corp mates with useless information. If u'll perform the role of scout which suits well with the tackler role u need to learn all ship types from all races and know the size of those ships, because the scanner just shows u a type and a name and u need to know if that ship is a Ex.: interceptor (in the scanner u'll se the types of the ship like Crow or Raptor and u need to know that that is a interceptor) or Battlecruiser or Battleship or Cruiser. Your FC will need to know the exact size of the enemy force and ship types before he decides the attack.
              Your ship also has a name and is best to rename it not to give away your ship type in the scanner. Ex: if your name is Al Bundy, your default ship name will be Al Bundy's Caracal, then i'll know u're flying a Caracal (cruiser size ship, possibly 5x heavy missiles with below average shield tank and very low chance of a nano fit etc.) but if u rename it to something else and i see 15 players in local i can't know just from one scan if u're ship is in space or docked or whatever assuming that u're on my scan range.

              I've deviated from the subject a bit but i hope this info helps.
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              • #8
                Re: Going to try EVE

                Listen, if you are thinking about pvp, Caldari are one of the worst for this role.

                Reason being is the following: Slow/LOW DPS, SLOW SHIPS, Crappy Shield Tank.

                Let me explain to you the concepts used in pvp.

                In pvp, when you are in a roaming gang or in gang warfare, if you get primaried, no matter how uber your tank is - you WILL get destroyed. NOw it is important to note that shield tanks are designed to absorm MAXIMUM damage OVER TIME, LONG TIME. Armour tanks are designed to BUFFER, in this case to absorb MAXIMUM damage over a SHORT TIME, this makes them more effective in pvp combat as their resists would be higher and they would have more effective HP.

                The other concept in pvp, is that you can speed tank, and caldari is pretty much useless at this, if you are looking to get into pvp early in game (first 2 -4 weeks) I strongly suggest rolling a minmatar character and maximising skills for a rifter frigate, then moving on to a wolf/jaguar. You can get tech 2 guns and navigation modules in a single week of training since start.

                Another thing to remember is that if you want half descent experience in amateur pvp: sign up for faction warfare. You have 24/7 pvp and always roaming gangs with eve voice activated, perfect opportunity to learn more about pvp.

                One other key concept is that if youi are going to be PvP, youll also be doing PvE mission running as its the same: combat.

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                • #9
                  Re: Going to try EVE

                  Originally posted by Miezu View Post
                  Lies.
                  ...
                  Hey Miezu, how you been mate. What you up to in game?
                  Do or do not, there is no try....
                  -- Yoda, Dagobah

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                  • #10
                    Re: Going to try EVE

                    Originally posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
                    ...
                    Look, not to sound funny, but each and every race has a role in pvp. You have some misconceptions about how useful Caldari ships are in pvp. Logistics supported resist/regen shield tanks (even on things like Ishtars and Myrms) are awesome in pvp, if you have a gang that can pull them off. In small engagements, I'll take a crystal Rokh over just about any other BS for tanking (maybe a Vindicator would be better, but thats a different thing). Fleet work it doesn't really matter. Sure, I like to fly a diemost as much as the next guy, but I'd also take a cerb over almost any other HAC, because its way flexible, and outputs a hell of a lot of burst damage, which gets me on the top of A LOT of killmails.

                    Also, FALCON.
                    Do or do not, there is no try....
                    -- Yoda, Dagobah

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                    • #11
                      Re: Going to try EVE

                      Now I'm confused... you have to understand i been playing this game for 2 days. So should I reroll or stick to it? Also I joined that channel ingame and i talked to a guy don't remember his name but yeah... Also how to you keep your capacitor stable seems like if i add one upgrade it all goes to crap.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Going to try EVE

                        Stick with your current character.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Going to try EVE

                          Stick with your Caldari character. First of all they look hot (more you can say about amar or min...). Secondly they are not French.

                          Ship wise. Caldari do not have too many solo ships (however I am saving for a Rook :-) ) but they have perfect mission running boats that will help you keep the ISK flowing in.
                          Additionally they shine in gang: I spent one week running in a Merlin with a couple of remote sensor boosters and nobody refused to invite me in a fleet; I have an anti-falcon Cerberus, which saved our small gang a couple of times; in FW Blackbirds are always a very nice addition to a small ship gang willing to take down BS; last time I took my Crow for a spin (not that I am an expert interceptor pilot) I was capable of speed tanking; my Drake has a decent tank (and it is shield tanked)...and my beloved Caracal survived an encounter with a Rapier and sent out of the battlefield Arbitrators and Ishkurs in half structure...

                          ...and yes FW is the best way to get yourself into PvP and have a lot of fun

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                            Re: Going to try EVE

                            Originally posted by gunjunkie View Post
                            Look, not to sound funny, but each and every race has a role in pvp. You have some misconceptions about how useful Caldari ships are in pvp. Logistics supported resist/regen shield tanks (even on things like Ishtars and Myrms) are awesome in pvp, if you have a gang that can pull them off. In small engagements, I'll take a crystal Rokh over just about any other BS for tanking (maybe a Vindicator would be better, but thats a different thing). Fleet work it doesn't really matter. Sure, I like to fly a diemost as much as the next guy, but I'd also take a cerb over almost any other HAC, because its way flexible, and outputs a hell of a lot of burst damage, which gets me on the top of A LOT of killmails.

                            Also, FALCON.
                            Please never argue with me about caldari, first of all, I can fly ALL caldari ships ingame, and have played caldari for over 4 years.

                            When I say caldari are the worst for PvP my word is final. Any Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar HAC will buttrape your cerberus before he knows what hit him why? First of all With a descent speed tank you can easily evade the missiles, secondly, after the lastest nerf, caldari's ECM is pretty much none to useless atm with a puny range of 60km and a ****ty tank the falcon stands no chance against any ECCM ship.

                            Thirdly, Guardian, the armour logisitcs ship is wtfbbq pwn better than the ****ty caldari equivallent that wouldnt last a minute in a battle. The only exception is the Chimera, which is the best carrier in game, still its only key concept is the tanka nd the shild RR.

                            Caldari, are by far, the WORST race for pvp, and if you are any experienced in pvp you will akcnowledge this simple fact. There is absolutely no bonus to caldari ships that make it good for pvp, the fact that you field ,middle slots for tank outlines this fact.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Going to try EVE

                              @ ON TOPIC

                              You will want to install this program to help you with your skill training planing.
                              http://evemon.battleclinic.com/

                              You will want to install this program to help you with your decisions regarding your ship fitting.
                              http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...hreadID=548883

                              For both u need an API Key that u can find here.
                              https://www.eveonline.com/login.asp?...Default.asp%3F

                              If i remember correctly u can retrieve character information only once per hour if u're not logged in the game, but u don't have to wait, u can log in on your character and it will retrieve the info from cache.

                              Te tutorial only tells u some info on game mechanics, so your main priority now should be to find a corporation that has a good group of players wiling to explain/experiment the game mechanics and how things are done. You will want to look for a corp that is looking for players not characters (many corps will not accept u unless u have experience and a certain amount of skill points like 10 mil or 20 mil etc), but some will take u as u are and help u. Race meters less because u don't have any restrictions in training ships from other faction, u just train the skill and u can fly it.

                              @ OFF TOPIC

                              Originally posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
                              Please never argue with me about caldari, first of all, I can fly ALL caldari ships ingame, and have played caldari for over 4 years.

                              When I say caldari are the worst for PvP my word is final.
                              So our opinion doesn't matter? What is the point of a forum?

                              Originally posted by gunjunkie View Post
                              Hey Miezu, how you been mate. What you up to in game?
                              I've reactivated my accounts about 2 months ago, but i'm really busy IRL until 19 June, so in game i'm not doing anything apart from 2-3 missions/week and keeping the training running. 80% of my Eve time i spend it on forums and stuff like that. After that i haven't decided what i'm gonna do since MCrew is dead and majority of members joined a pirate corp, some joined .Noir (merc) and some i've seen in some industrial/mining corps. Pirating could be a good sport but if i change my mind what am i gonna do with -10.0 standing and i like to travel freely, mercing i already did and i don't think it will get better than MCrew even tho .Noir looks like a mature corp with some very nice players, so for the moment the only plan is to join the only IRL friend of mine who is playing Eve in BoB, but he's been promoted to manager at his job and plays less than he used to so i'm not sure about that either. I guess when the time comes i'll see what options i have and decide then.
                              Maybe i'll join Khul in Darkfall, but that game imo is still in beta from what i've seen, there ideas are nice a but to little implemented so far, it doesn't get even close to Eve.
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