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    TG Pathfinder Restoration Program

    TG ArmA Pathfinder Program




    The ArmA Pathfinders are a way of recognizing leadership. It is a prestigious position to hold within our community much like PCS is with Counter Strike. Pathfinders are leaders in and out of the server, and provide solid leadership as well as mentorship to all players. They are capable of leading missions, training players, and helping to foster this community as one of maturity and respect.

    Recently, the Pathfinders have fallen from the eyes of the players. When asked; “What is a Pathfinder”, the response most times was “...an Admin”. The current Admin Team and Pathfinder Members have been working hard to revamp the entire program, and bring it to the forefront of TG ArmA.

    It is with great honor that I, as an Admin as well as a current Pathfinder, present you with the fruits of our labor.


    TG ArmA Pathfinder – Spartan
    • The group of players that make up the Spartan Platoon have show time and time again that they have the ability to lead this community. Be it in game, in the forums, or anywhere else they continue to step up and take charge.


Spartan Motto: “With It. Or On It”
  • This is derived from the Greek outlook on war. You either return home alive with your shield; or dead on it. To do this tells others that you didn’t give up and fought with everything you had. To return home without your shield, was an offence punishable by death. The reason being, if you came back without a shield it meant that you had thrown it down and left. The way the Greeks fought, each soldiers shield protected the man next to him; it is a sign of loyalty and trust. By throwing down your shield, you have basically killed your fellow soldier.

  • This concept of loyalty to others, and trust is one that we wish to convey to the community with the Pathfinder: Spartan program. A Spartan member will not leave you on the battlefield, he will protect the player to his left and right, and he is loyal to the community.


What does it take to be a Spartan?
  • To be inducted, a player has to constantly demonstrate the ability to be a leader. This isn’t just when the Admins are around. It is every time they are on the server. It’s not something that can be turned on and off. If a player has consistently shown that they have leadership qualities it will catch the eyes and ears of the current Spartan Members.


What is required of a Spartan?
  • These are the simplest to ask, but the hardest to meet. Spartans must be as active as possible in both the game and the forum. They have to devote time to helping players new and old, and provide leadership to those on the server. It is required that all Spartans take charge and do the right thing in the absence of any other leader. They are the ones to step up and take control of a mess on the server and lead the mission to success. They all are capable of being “that guy” time and time again and making the game so much more by simply stepping up, and leading.


Can I apply to become a Spartan?
  • Yes and no. While you may apply to the group, we ask that you let your actions speak louder than your words. Stepping up and leading missions, and leading the community will have more of an effect than any amount of PM’s or applications.


What is a ‘Spartan Callsign’?
  • The ‘Spartan Callsign’ is a badge of office, like a Ranger Tab or Special Forces patch. It allows everyone to instantly recognize the Spartan members. Each Callsign is given out in numerical sequence starting with one.

  • Ex: |TG| Snuffy [Spartan 3]


What else do the Spartans do?
  • Apart from community leadership, Spartans are also tasked with organizing and hosting events such as the “Pathfinder Invitational” event. The invitational event is a small event consisting of only Pathfinders and members of the community that have been personally invited by a Spartan.


Is a Spartan an Admin?
  • No. However, Spartans are allowed to perform certain Admin duties such as Admin on the server, and enforcing SOP/Primer adherence.


I am not an SM; does this mean I can’t be a Spartan?
  • No. The Pathfinder-Spartan program is available to everyone that passes the pre-requisites regardless of membership status.


The Admins and Pathfinders are trying to raise awareness of this program, as well as help the community understand what it is that Pathfinders do. Our goal is to re-establish the Pathfinders here at TG ArmA, and provide solid leadership to all that play here.


TG ArmA Pathfinder: Spartan
“With it. Or on it!”



*Feel Free To Post Questions Here*

  • Dredge
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    Originally posted by Sc[ + ]pe View Post
    One important thing I'd like to see the Pathfinder system address is the communication gap between the player base and the admin team. If part of the "job" of designated Pathfinders would be to report broken missions, problem players or incidents, provide abject testimony during arguments, and liaison community complaints regarding mods, servers, or games, then that could be a solid reason to look specifically to PFs in games.
    Great point scope. That has also been specifically looked into with this new program as well.

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  • azzwort
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    Originally posted by Gill View Post
    [/COLOR]Suggestions from someone who hasn't been able to play with my favorite TG community since getting my new job:

    > Name confusion: Pathfinders? Spartans? Pathfinder Spartans? Either keep the Pathfinder name, or switch it to Spartans. The addition of "Spartans" gives it a redundant "group-within-a-group" feel.

    > You're either an admin, or a Pathfinder. Not both.

    > Do away with the private forum. Pathfinders should be an in-game designation of players willing to lead. Admins worry about the direction of the game and share their ideas with the community in large. If you want a private forum, create an in-house squad. Even as an admin I barely tolerated the "we're a special community and get to have a say on what the admins are doing". A Pathfinder designation should have been and should have STAYED as a pat on the back and recognition to other players that the Pathfinder-tagged player knows what he/she's doing.

    > Alternatively, do away with the group. Create a course administered by volunteers that (perhaps the TG University thing, if that exists) that teaches players how to squad lead - among other various activities that may fall under a "Pathfinder" tag. Create a fancy little ribbon and permission to add some random letters to the in-game tag. Doing away with players being "selected" to join the Pathfinders does away with any notion of elitism. You either get off your ass and attend the course, or you don't. The onus is upon you.
    [/COLOR]

    Sorry for being blunt. I know how annoying it is to spend time on something, release it to the community, and have said community laugh and tear it apart with criticism. Just take it for what it is and don't take it personal. :)
    i agree with all of this!
    Last edited by azzwort; 09-03-2010, 11:15 PM. Reason: desided TFP wasn't the only group that did those things...

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  • Sc[ + ]pe
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    One important thing I'd like to see the Pathfinder system address is the communication gap between the player base and the admin team. If part of the "job" of designated Pathfinders would be to report broken missions, problem players or incidents, provide abject testimony during arguments, and liaison community complaints regarding mods, servers, or games, then that could be a solid reason to look specifically to PFs in games.

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  • Dredge
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    Originally posted by AdeptAbyss View Post
    I think hes getting at that the pathfinders were more of a private club who got special privileges and private forums, they acted more like an invite only IHS than a group of people showing the best of TG
    Ahhhhhh. Ok. Yeah, thats one of the things that we are making extra sure we address. The PF's are not going to be the "cool guy" club. They are going to be our whipping boys pretty much. ;)

    No, but seriously. Alot of the flaws that have been brought up about the program have been specifically addressed and worked so this new group will be what we as admins, and you as community members want/need. They are not here for themselves, and will focus on the community.

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  • AdeptAbyss
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    Originally posted by Dredge View Post
    I'm confused a bit. The PF have a private forum that is setup like an IHS forum. They can't see the admin forums, and have no say on admin stuff. The PF's ARE going to be tagged in game (hence the [Spartan 3] callsign thing.

    Alot of the things that you mentioned Gill are in the OP. So I'm slightly confused at what you are trying to say. Could you elaborate more?

    I think hes getting at that the pathfinders were more of a private club who got special privileges and private forums, they acted more like an invite only IHS than a group of people showing the best of TG

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  • Dredge
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    I'm confused a bit. The PF have a private forum that is setup like an IHS forum. They can't see the admin forums, and have no say on admin stuff. The PF's ARE going to be tagged in game (hence the [Spartan 3] callsign thing.

    Alot of the things that you mentioned Gill are in the OP. So I'm slightly confused at what you are trying to say. Could you elaborate more?

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  • johnflenaly
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    Originally posted by Gill View Post
    > You're either an admin, or a Pathfinder. Not both.

    > Do away with the private forum.

    Pathfinders should be an in-game designation of players willing to lead. Admins worry about the direction of the game and share their ideas with the community in large. If you want a private forum, create an in-house squad. Even as an admin I barely tolerated the "we're a special community and get to have a say on what the admins are doing". A Pathfinder designation should have been and should have STAYED as a pat on the back and recognition to other players that the Pathfinder-tagged player knows what he/she's doing.
    I fully support this idea!
    Last edited by Dredge; 09-03-2010, 08:20 PM. Reason: Bad Quote Code

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  • Gill
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    Re: TG Pathfinder Restoration Program

    [/COLOR]Suggestions from someone who hasn't been able to play with my favorite TG community since getting my new job:

    > Name confusion: Pathfinders? Spartans? Pathfinder Spartans? Either keep the Pathfinder name, or switch it to Spartans. The addition of "Spartans" gives it a redundant "group-within-a-group" feel.

    > You're either an admin, or a Pathfinder. Not both.

    > Do away with the private forum. Pathfinders should be an in-game designation of players willing to lead. Admins worry about the direction of the game and share their ideas with the community in large. If you want a private forum, create an in-house squad. Even as an admin I barely tolerated the "we're a special community and get to have a say on what the admins are doing". A Pathfinder designation should have been and should have STAYED as a pat on the back and recognition to other players that the Pathfinder-tagged player knows what he/she's doing.

    > Alternatively, do away with the group. Create a course administered by volunteers that (perhaps the TG University thing, if that exists) that teaches players how to squad lead - among other various activities that may fall under a "Pathfinder" tag. Create a fancy little ribbon and permission to add some random letters to the in-game tag. Doing away with players being "selected" to join the Pathfinders does away with any notion of elitism. You either get off your ass and attend the course, or you don't. The onus is upon you.
    [/COLOR]

    Sorry for being blunt. I know how annoying it is to spend time on something, release it to the community, and have said community laugh and tear it apart with criticism. Just take it for what it is and don't take it personal. :)
    Last edited by Gill; 09-03-2010, 06:15 PM.

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  • Dredge
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    Everyone Please Watch.

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  • Soupy_Norman
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    Yeah i know, i just hate when people call for everyone to stop "trolling" when all their doing is discussing and arguing.
    ANd lets not forget that arguing doesnt have to mean pounding your keyboard with both fists. One of its definitions is
    To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend

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  • Dredge
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    Originally posted by Soupy_Norman View Post
    Transparency and discussion, 2 words that could be utilized alot more around here.
    Soupy, this entire thread is about discussion. The original post was about the transparency of the PF program. This entire thread has proved your 2 quoted points for you.

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  • Soupy_Norman
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    I dont think the majority of posts here were trolling. I hate when discussion and debate gets pawned off by posts saying "How immature, stop disagreeing with me. Because you are disagreeing with me your trolling".
    Transparency and discussion, 2 words that could be utilized alot more around here.

    To recap on what i was trying to get across: If this is implemented correctly and people dont begin helping others for the sole purpose of being in the group then itll be a success.

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  • Corporal_Cody
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    Lets stop the pointless trolling from both sides please.

    Its really quite childish


    and u guys are realllly bad at it

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  • h3killa
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    Originally posted by tHa_KhAn View Post
    Maybe the new motto.
    I don't think that would be smart. I think the "Spartans" should be active in both forum and game.

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