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  • New member training.

    As a new member, I looked around the Forums for any info. about boots-on-the-ground training, and found nothing. I've read every post about SOP, and Acre, and TS3, etc, etc. Have I missed something? I'm mightily impressed with the Professionalism of TG, and the dedication of the Admins and Specialists on board, but find no "hands-on" training in place. My Military training was in the RAF many years ago, with minimal field training (GCA Operator) so I don't know what present - day Field Training in the US Military is like. Would it be possible for ex- Army or Marine to step up, and, with their experience offer to Field Train new Recruits to TG in the basics of staying alive? I was thinking a Basics Course offered whenever an aggregate of five or more new members are on board who haven't had the benefit of U.S. Military Field Training, and want to improve their skills to add to the overall experience. They wouldn't even have to eat MREs!
    Perhaps the training could extend to twice a week for two weeks, or similar. Just to get the basics in to them.
    I know right now I feel more of a liability than an asset to a Squad, and although everyone has been very understanding I know a little formal "dos and donts" would be of great help, so step up and give me and Admin feedback on this, OK?

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    Re: New member training.

    hey there Whizkid, welcome to "the club". I'm pretty new here too (been playing PR, on the TG servers for a while though). A good place to start as far as basic training goes is to keep an eye out at Tactical Gamer University. Every so often they'll have a basic infantry course. I think that if we can get enough people interested the instructors would certainly be willing. Anyway, hope that helps.

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    • #3
      Re: New member training.

      Good posts, both. We had been running some classes through TG University...things like basic infantry and basic sqaud leading. Exactly what you are asking about. The member who had been running them has stepped away from the lectern for a bit to catch up on RL and currently is on hiatus. Watch this space and in the forums for a notice. Something may come up shortly.

      Of course....the best training is out in the field doing the missions. The problem, and it's not really a problem, is that there is a real variance to who is leading and how they deploy the forces at hand. While some SL's will issues precise movement orders others might commonly stick with a tactical blob approach. Of course...this all points to the need to have more of this training in the long run. It's hard to find someone who can put the time, effort and energy into a comprehensive and consistent training regimen.
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      • #4
        Re: New member training.

        Thanks to you both! I'll certainly check TGU out, as it sounds excellent, but "in-the-field" training is really what I need. To find the right key for something in moments of panic, to ask the correct question to a SL to complete something, to respond immediately without fumbling or glazing over when an order is given.....! These are the things that make a sharp squad, that can only be acquired with field training. I'll certainly be keeping a sharp eye out for the return of the missing member, or anyone else that has the time and interest to train new people. That said, I still say "BRAVO" to the TG Community for a job well done!

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        • #5
          Re: New member training.

          I would highly recommend reading Dslyecxi's TTP2 guide on his website, if you arn't aware of it or havn't read it already. It provides a wealth of information derived from actual military field manuals and surely some of his experience in the USMC. Its tuned in such a way as to eliminate what Dslyecxi refers to as "tactical fluff" ie actual military procedure that is irrelevant to ArmA2/ACE2 gameplay and unnecessary. Be aware it is quite a read, but it is by far the most comprehensive guide you will likely ever find.

          LINKS! Dslyecxi's TTP2 guide
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          • #6
            Re: New member training.

            WOW, Wingman, that's one heck of a Manual! I don't think I've ever seen one so complete. Thank you so much for the info. But I would still like to attend a Basic Rifleman Course Online in the Field if one were given.
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            • #7
              Re: New member training.

              Welcome aboard Wingman...great first post...

              Der Grunt...how could I forget about Dslyecxi's TTP guide. A great resource.
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              • #8
                Re: New member training.

                Originally posted by Whizkid View Post
                As a new member, I looked around the Forums for any info. about boots-on-the-ground training, and found nothing. I've read every post about SOP, and Acre, and TS3, etc, etc. Have I missed something? I'm mightily impressed with the Professionalism of TG, and the dedication of the Admins and Specialists on board, but find no "hands-on" training in place. My Military training was in the RAF many years ago, with minimal field training (GCA Operator) so I don't know what present - day Field Training in the US Military is like. Would it be possible for ex- Army or Marine to step up, and, with their experience offer to Field Train new Recruits to TG in the basics of staying alive? I was thinking a Basics Course offered whenever an aggregate of five or more new members are on board who haven't had the benefit of U.S. Military Field Training, and want to improve their skills to add to the overall experience. They wouldn't even have to eat MREs!
                Perhaps the training could extend to twice a week for two weeks, or similar. Just to get the basics in to them.
                I know right now I feel more of a liability than an asset to a Squad, and although everyone has been very understanding I know a little formal "dos and donts" would be of great help, so step up and give me and Admin feedback on this, OK?
                I know how you feel and that is definitely one of the things that needs fixing here on TG for the new players. The reality is that classes like that are few in between, at least for Arma, last one organized by Jacezz, but are great not only for new peeps, but also for the older members, just to sort of "get on the same wavelength again", if you understand what I mean. I know Dredge is trying to get a CO class going (link here: http://www.tacticalgamer.com/armed-a...how-hands.html), but I am not sure how prepeared he would be organizing something similar that you are asking for. He is probably also one of the more qualified people, since he is in active? service.

                Originally posted by Grunt 70 View Post
                The member who had been running them has stepped away from the lectern for a bit to catch up on RL and currently is on hiatus. Watch this space and in the forums for a notice. Something may come up shortly.

                Of course....the best training is out in the field doing the missions. The problem, and it's not really a problem, is that there is a real variance to who is leading and how they deploy the forces at hand. While some SL's will issues precise movement orders others might commonly stick with a tactical blob approach. Of course...this all points to the need to have more of this training in the long run. It's hard to find someone who can put the time, effort and energy into a comprehensive and consistent training regimen.
                Jacezz was a great instructor imo and definately there is somewhat of an emtpy spot atm (we have 2 other instructors). Grunt 70 is also right on the fact that training makes things more coordinated instead of the whole tactical blob situation.

                Originally posted by Shoomfie
                Game: ARMA 2 (with the bravo server mods)
                Class: Basic Infantry for ACE, Battlefield awareness
                Time: Fridays after 20:00Hrs (GMT -07:00)

                Basically, I get the basic infantry of ARMA 2... for the most part, But there are many little nuances to the ACE system that I quite honestly don't get. At the moment I'm really only good for following other people around and shooting in the same direction. I'd like to learn how to use all the basic INF weapons more effectively. how to use static weapons effectively, how to read a map, find yourself on a map and call a location on it (I've read the post and it still doesn't make that much sense). most importantly for me though is, right now, learning how to balance a loadout for a players role. And so... instead of going online and asking a bajillion questions till everyone is annoyed, I'd like to see about a class pertaining to battlefield orientation for ACE.
                TBH, if thats what you are interested for now, I can probably organize something myself, even if I don't recieve the official "blessing". Stepping up is starting to become a habbit for me. :) I could probably get through this in an hour and give you guys further material on effective usage of weapons and weapons systems in ACE2, everything from rifles, snipers, AT, range calibration, mortars...


                Originally posted by Shoomfie View Post
                hey there Whizkid, welcome to "the club". I'm pretty new here too (been playing PR, on the TG servers for a while though). A good place to start as far as basic training goes is to keep an eye out at Tactical Gamer University. Every so often they'll have a basic infantry course. I think that if we can get enough people interested the instructors would certainly be willing. Anyway, hope that helps.
                The last Jacezz FTL course was about 3-4 hours. I very much like the weekly training course idea from whizkid (probably and hour or little longer), and not only going through TTP2 or any other textbook, but with dedicating 50 or so % of the course time to actually using drills or anything else learned in a controlled practice or a mission.
                TGU courses: - 20/05/11 Jacezz

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                • #9
                  Re: New member training.

                  There may be something cooking on this subject for this weekend. Be prepared to put your chompers in.
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                  • #10
                    Re: New member training.

                    Yes? Yes? Yes?

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                    • #11
                      Re: New member training.

                      Shoomfie made this great guide recently:

                      http://www.tacticalgamer.com/armed-a...-now-what.html

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                      • #12
                        Re: New member training.

                        I'm very new here and please pardon me if this is presumptuous, but I would definitely be interested in helping with setting up a basic training program for the Arma II players, or helping out whoever is working on it. As a little background on me I've been playing Arma and its predecessor for about 10 years now, most of the time with milsim units learning from some very good military instructors. Until recently I was playing with a british unit (16AA) but their schedule never worked well for me in Arizona.

                        Having been away from arma for a month or two my friend (Markolh) told me about this group and asked me to come check it out, it's a bit different from other gaming groups I've been in (They've all focused on one game) but I'm impressed by the size of the community at the very least and how much effort seems to have been put into it all. I'd like to contribute and this game in particular is where I think I can do that.

                        The last year or so I've been heavily focused on piloting (mostly helos though I'm pretty good in fixed wing too and have rl experience there). So I'd be happy to work on some kind of flight course as well. But before that I was running squads and infantry training for previous units so I've done this all before. If new players are having a hard time (and this IS a tough game to learn), a formal training once or twice a week for basic tactics, comms, navigation, etc seems like a good idea.

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                        • #13
                          Re: New member training.

                          Originally posted by Dekul View Post
                          I'm very new here and please pardon me if this is presumptuous, but I would definitely be interested in helping with setting up a basic training program for the Arma II players, or helping out whoever is working on it. As a little background on me I've been playing Arma and its predecessor for about 10 years now, most of the time with milsim units learning from some very good military instructors. Until recently I was playing with a british unit (16AA) but their schedule never worked well for me in Arizona.

                          Having been away from arma for a month or two my friend (Markolh) told me about this group and asked me to come check it out, it's a bit different from other gaming groups I've been in (They've all focused on one game) but I'm impressed by the size of the community at the very least and how much effort seems to have been put into it all. I'd like to contribute and this game in particular is where I think I can do that.

                          The last year or so I've been heavily focused on piloting (mostly helos though I'm pretty good in fixed wing too and have rl experience there). So I'd be happy to work on some kind of flight course as well. But before that I was running squads and infantry training for previous units so I've done this all before. If new players are having a hard time (and this IS a tough game to learn), a formal training once or twice a week for basic tactics, comms, navigation, etc seems like a good idea.
                          Im new here too, and have yet to play on the server because iv been busy lately, but if this happened i would love to attend it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New member training.

                            Dekul, that is great to hear. I'm just back from my vacation so give me a little bit to get something set up. I just have to find where the other admins hid my coffee cup and favorite pen.
                            |TG-189th| Unkl
                            ArmA 3 Game Officer
                            Dean of Tactical Gamer University
                            189th Infantry Brigade Member
                            SUBMIT A RIBBON NOMINATION OR CONTACT AN ARMA ADMIN
                            "We quickly advance in the opposite direction and take cover in a house on the SW side of town." - BadStache

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                            • #15
                              Now some cable guy noob disconnected my internet & ive been too busy at work to bother with it. Sat eve i expect to be around so hope we can get a few together.

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                              |TG-189th| Unkl
                              ArmA 3 Game Officer
                              Dean of Tactical Gamer University
                              189th Infantry Brigade Member
                              SUBMIT A RIBBON NOMINATION OR CONTACT AN ARMA ADMIN
                              "We quickly advance in the opposite direction and take cover in a house on the SW side of town." - BadStache

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