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    OK, first I have no idea how to overclock or what I need to know about it. This is not something I want to attempt on my own as i would hate to have to buy a new cp.

    Here is my system specs. I just got this cp 5 months ago:

    HP Elite 9420f
    AMD Phenom 9650 Quad Core 2.30ghz
    7 gigs DDR2 SDRAM
    GTX 275 OC with 191.03 beta drivers
    Antec 650 watt power supply
    Vista 64
    Motherboard Name: Asus M2N68-LA

    Second, should i bother overclocking or do an upgrade somewhere.
    Hope you guys can help me out or get me going into the right direction.

    Third, what would it cost and take for me to put in a nvidia motherboard? Would this help?

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    Re: Overclocking?

    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1198647

    That's a good place to start off with, just read it through first to see what you're getting into. This probably would have been better posted under the hardware & software discussion thread in the general forums though, not that many people venture here. A lot of settings can vary from bios to bios but it's typically just a different name that does the exact same function.

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    • #3
      Re: Overclocking?

      Just watch your temperatures, if it doesn't work out, chances are your PC won't start anyway. Just flash the CMOS and try again.

      I have to over clock to get a stable PC, have only BSOD'd once in six months, in comparison to once a week on stock.

      2.6ghz to 3.2ghz. Only a 5 degree rise in temperature, with minimum temperature of around 6 degrees.

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      • #4
        Re: Overclocking?

        If you get that proc to overclock, let me know. I have the 9750 and even marginal overclocks have been unstable. Also, its listed as a quad but my system still only reads it as two processors. How does the 9650 display?
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        • #5
          Re: Overclocking?

          Bronco, did you have a dual core and replace it with a quad core without reinstalling your OS? I had that problem and had to reformat + reinstall.

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          • #6
            Re: Overclocking?

            Originally posted by LpBronco View Post
            If you get that proc to overclock, let me know. I have the 9750 and even marginal overclocks have been unstable. Also, its listed as a quad but my system still only reads it as two processors. How does the 9650 display?
            When I look at the System Performance program, it lists 4 individual processors running.

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            • #7
              Re: Overclocking?

              Yes I had a 6000+ when the board would only support AM2. There was a bios up date that added AM2+ support, I flashed and added the quad. Some specs list it properly but it appears in the DxDiag as two cpus. Seriously, suppose to do a fresh OS install?
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              • #8
                Re: Overclocking?

                Yup, anytime you replace a piece of hardware you should do a full reformat/reinstall with video cards and ram being an exception sometimes. Right now you're probably running slower than when you had your dual core depending on the speed of your current quad.

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                • #9
                  Re: Overclocking?

                  Originally posted by OFPmonkeyspanker View Post
                  OK, first I have no idea how to overclock or what I need to know about it. This is not something I want to attempt on my own as i would hate to have to buy a new cp.
                  Hardforums, Xtremesystems & Anandtech are all good places to start. Overclocking is not at all hard, but I would advise reading as much as you can absorb before cranking up the settings in your bios, as you can burn up your components. My first question is, what does your current system not do, that you would like to accomplish by OCing? Your specs show a pretty robust rig and I honestly do not see the need to mess around with it unless it is failing in some requirement. From my perspective, the greatest benefit to OCing, is being able to buy mid priced components and through a bit of tweaking, have high priced performance.

                  Originally posted by OFPmonkeyspanker View Post
                  Here is my system specs. I just got this cp 5 months ago:

                  HP Elite 9420f
                  AMD Phenom 9650 Quad Core 2.30ghz
                  7 gigs DDR2 SDRAM
                  GTX 275 OC with 191.03 beta drivers
                  Antec 650 watt power supply
                  Vista 64
                  Motherboard Name: Asus M2N68-LA

                  Second, should i bother overclocking or do an upgrade somewhere.
                  Hope you guys can help me out or get me going into the right direction.
                  Secondly, I will refer back to my original question. Where does your present system fail to perform to your liking? This would give us a much better idea of suggestions for upgrades but I fail to see where you need to upgrade. Btw, what size / resolution monitor are you using?

                  Originally posted by OFPmonkeyspanker View Post

                  Third, what would it cost and take for me to put in a nvidia motherboard? Would this help?
                  Third, changing your mobo will have very little to no effect on performance. Usually a same platform mobo will only differ in features, (ie more USB connections, SCSI imputs, SLI vs CrossFire availabity, which both are greatly overrated in my opinion - why spend twice the price for 2 vid cards and only get a marginal increase in performance, unless you have the need to run 4 monitors). Different mobos will have different OCing abilities but your running a quad with 7 gigs of ram, are you ever maxing out your system and if so, what programs are you running to max it out?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Overclocking?

                    Noticed a change in the Vista ratings but hard to see any other difference. I also checked on the Asus site and they have PhenomII 940's running on this board on an earlier bios than I'm running. A clean install of the OS after a reformat doesn't sound like fun. Wonder if I can do an entire HD back up over my network. It'd take a while to replace the programs and data on my main drive.

                    Cool I can copy the entire drive to another computer in my network so tomorrow I'll do a fresh install and see if I can get this reading all four cores. Thanks Pistolfied for walking me through this in TS.
                    Forewarned is Forearmed




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                    • #11
                      Re: Overclocking?

                      Originally posted by The_Butcher View Post
                      Hardforums, Xtremesystems & Anandtech are all good places to start. Overclocking is not at all hard, but I would advise reading as much as you can absorb before cranking up the settings in your bios, as you can burn up your components. My first question is, what does your current system not do, that you would like to accomplish by OCing? Your specs show a pretty robust rig and I honestly do not see the need to mess around with it unless it is failing in some requirement. From my perspective, the greatest benefit to OCing, is being able to buy mid priced components and through a bit of tweaking, have high priced performance.

                      Secondly, I will refer back to my original question. Where does your present system fail to perform to your liking? This would give us a much better idea of suggestions for upgrades but I fail to see where you need to upgrade. Btw, what size / resolution monitor are you using?

                      Third, changing your mobo will have very little to no effect on performance. Usually a same platform mobo will only differ in features, (ie more USB connections, SCSI imputs, SLI vs CrossFire availabity, which both are greatly overrated in my opinion - why spend twice the price for 2 vid cards and only get a marginal increase in performance, unless you have the need to run 4 monitors). Different mobos will have different OCing abilities but your running a quad with 7 gigs of ram, are you ever maxing out your system and if so, what programs are you running to max it out?
                      I would like to have it perform a bit faster. I dont have any problems with this setup it actually performs very well. I have been reading up and learning a bit on the sites that have been suggested. Great info.

                      I just want to get the most out of my system. currently running windows @1900 x 1080p on a 28" 1080p hd monitor and gaming @ 1900 x 1200.

                      I have yet to max out my ram. The most my system has ever used is about 59% on the cpu and 64% of my ram. I based this off of the smart ram program.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Overclocking?

                        Fresh install takes up to 30-40minutes if you know how to do it (incl: XP, Drivers and necessities). If you have data to backup, odds are you have already got them on a separate HDD. ArmA2 takes the longest to install at over 30minutes from disc.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Overclocking?

                          Originally posted by OFPmonkeyspanker View Post
                          I would like to have it perform a bit faster. I dont have any problems with this setup it actually performs very well. I have been reading up and learning a bit on the sites that have been suggested. Great info.

                          I just want to get the most out of my system. currently running windows @1900 x 1080p on a 28" 1080p hd monitor and gaming @ 1900 x 1200.

                          I have yet to max out my ram. The most my system has ever used is about 59% on the cpu and 64% of my ram. I based this off of the smart ram program.
                          When you say perform a bit faster, are you referring to map load times? If so, one way to increase performance in this area could be a hard drive upgrade. What are the specs on your drive? You can either get one that has faster read / write performance or run a raid 0 configuration. Seeing that your cpu and ram are not even close to being fully utilized, I do not think that OCing will create any noticable difference. Obviously, it's all about real world performance increases that actually benefit the average OCer. No reason to either risk burning up or shortening the life span of your components if your not getting a significant boost in performance. As I'm sure you've already come across, cooling is your best friend when OCing.

                          Btw, overclocking can be highly addictive. I began when a friend purchased a high dollar Alienware system, that he loved to brag about. I began a bit of reseach and shortly after, my $700 rig was outperforming his $3500 rig. :) I started with air cooling, then H2O then onto phase cooling, then back to air, as the expenses began to outweigh the benifits, but it was extemely fun to see how far I could push the limits. Taking a $100ish cpu and outperforming the (stock) top of the line 1k cpu makes me giggle.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Overclocking?

                            Originally posted by The_Butcher View Post
                            When you say perform a bit faster, are you referring to map load times? If so, one way to increase performance in this area could be a hard drive upgrade. What are the specs on your drive? You can either get one that has faster read / write performance or run a raid 0 configuration. Seeing that your cpu and ram are not even close to being fully utilized, I do not think that OCing will create any noticable difference. Obviously, it's all about real world performance increases that actually benefit the average OCer. No reason to either risk burning up or shortening the life span of your components if your not getting a significant boost in performance. As I'm sure you've already come across, cooling is your best friend when OCing.


                            HD Specs:
                            Samsung HD642jj
                            Formatted capacity : 640GB
                            • Serial ATA 3.0Gbps Interface Support
                            • Improved recording stability over temperature with PMR
                            • Advanced dynamic FOD control for best data integrity
                            • Intelligent compensation of external disturbance
                            • SATA Native Command Queuing Feature
                            • Device Initiated SATA Power Management
                            • Staggerd Spin-up Support
                            • Environment friendly product with RoHS compliance
                            • Improved performance with dual-ARM based firmware
                            • ATA S.M.A.R.T. Compliant
                            • ATA Automatic Acoustic Management Feature
                            • ATA 48-bit Address Feature
                            • ATA Device Configuration Overlay Feature
                            • NoiseGuard™
                            • SilentSeek™

                            After doing some research and listening to everyones advise, I think its best to leave my rig the way it is as it seems to be good enough the way it is.
                            I will be thinking about a HD upgrade as well as extra cooling for my Graphics Card. Will be upgrading the card as well in December or January to probaly a gt 295 unless something better comes along.
                            It was good to learn about OCing and thanks for all the help.
                            Also, what type of extra cooling and HD upgrade would I benefit from for my type of set up?

                            |TG-Irr| OFPmonkeyspanker
                            Socialism is upon us. Wake up and take back the freedom our country was founded on!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Overclocking?

                              your HDD specs don't list the RPM's. If it's a 5400 RPM HDD, then that would definitely cause you some slow down.
                              I just built a machine with a 7200 RPM drive about 2 months ago and I'm already looking into SSD's or maybe a 10000 RPM Velociraptor. Seems like with the amount of stuff this game has to load the SSD's are the way to go.

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