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    I'm thinking about buying a new computer because mine is pretty much from 2004 and doesn't really run Arma 2 well. It runs Arma 1 great though!

    Currently, I have a single core 3500 Athlon, 2GB Ram, 9800 Geforce (the newest thing in the computer). I get 20 fps with everything on low/disabled, but sometimes I get very bad fps on some very large missions online, I've gotten as low as 3. The game is actually quite playable as long as the fps stays above 15. I think the processor is the problem, but I can't buy a dual-core, my motherboard doesn't support it and they don't make socket 939 processors anymore.

    I do get good fps when I'm the commander though, all that looking at the map :).

    So my options are: 1. Buy a new motherboard/processor. OR 2. Just buy a new computer.

    So I think I will just buy a new computer.
    Do you think this computer will run it fairly well, I'm not looking for maxed out everything, just a decent frame rate at "normal" settings.
    http://www.frys.com/product/6054108?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
    Bah Windows 7, my teamspeak overlay won't work anymore. Long live XP.

    I want to keep it cheap since my girlfriend is still in college and will be unhappy if I spend a lot ;) (she complained when I bought Arma 2, $50)

    Can anyone find a cheaper, better computer? The listing above seems to be fairly good.

    What do you guys think?
    "Never forget that you are there to SERVE the soldiers. Listen to your NCOs and always do the right thing." -My Father
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNxHMFjigA"
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce0c6qVnJE4"
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Lpc9vTnqU"
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzc9fB8xPo"
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tdCTP_ae_8"
    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmoSZgYaFw"

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    Re: New computer?

    The graphics card unfortunately look like utter pap. You do at least want a GeForce 260 (called 265 now?) graphics card if you go GeForce's 200-series.

    The CPU has good overclocking-potential though and thus can last you very long.

    As for memory it's generally better to have 4x2GB sticks than 2x4GB sticks, unless you plan on expanding to 4x4GB or somesuch.

    All in all it's a quite nice computer, aside from the graphics card. If you want to get as much bang for the buck as possible when it comes to graphics, get a computer with ATI Radeon 4870 or 4890. :)



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    • #3
      Re: New computer?

      Originally posted by Inkompetent View Post
      ...All in all it's a quite nice computer, aside from the graphics card. If you want to get as much bang for the buck as possible when it comes to graphics, get a computer with ATI Radeon 4870 or 4890. :)
      What Inkompetent said about the graphics card rings true.
      I am currently using ATI Radeon 4850 512MB (Overclocked), lower end version of those he mentioned. It runs the game fine.
      My viewdistance in game is set at 3k. 1680x1024 resolution, AA at low, AF at high, all other setting on normal except textures on high.
      On average I get around 25~32fps. Peaking at 38fps+ (for split seconds lol)
      On heavily built up areas, it drops to low 20s or high 10s.
      But it isnt unbearable. Well, not yet.
      As long as I can look at the screen for the duration of the game without getting nausiated, I'm good to go.
      One thing to note though. By overclocking my CPU (E7400) to 3.6ghz from stock 2.8ghz improved the game immensely for me. So my experience from all these "how to sqeeze out the best you can with from your PC (for arma)" is to get a fast CPU and decent graphics card. I miss my TS overlay, but cant go back to XP, the games runs better for me on Win7.

      By the way any reason you aren't building your own PC instead of buying a pre-built one?
      I'm sure you'll get better deals & cherry pick your options that way?

      Edit:
      I noticed that the 1TB HD is rated at 5400RPM. Not good. You'll experience in game stutters like a flip book.
      On minimum try to stick to 7400RPM if possible.

      This is a great starting point too (I'm sure you've read it but just in case)
      http://www.tacticalgamer.com/armed-a...cs-advice.html
      Last edited by LowSpeedHighDrag; 01-07-2010, 12:47 PM. Reason: addition of text

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      • #4
        Re: New computer?

        Yeah, I'm using a 4850 card as well, but with 1GB memory. The step up to a 4870 in price isn't that big though, but they have much more efficient GPU than the 4850, and more shader processors, so the step in performance will be high.

        Actually as the market looks at the moment I can't see any reason at all to get a GeForce card, unless you intend to run them in SLi (SLi tends to work better in more games than Crossfire what I've heard), but generally it's not a good idea to run double graphics cards unless you really like to tinker with your computer.

        Either an ATI 4870 or 4890, or if you want to get a future-proof card (for Win7, since it supports DirectX11) get a ATI 5770. It's a low/mid-range card of ATI's new 5-series and quite cheap (not sure if 4890 or 5770 packs more punch though). The 5850 is a good mid-range card, but also costs thereafter since the 5-series is brand new.



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        • #5
          Re: New computer?

          Budget recommend:

          Intel i3 530 Dual core or AMD X2 250
          Gigabyte or Asus motherboard.
          2X2GB of DDR3-1600 (get 8GB if budget permits, don't if it doesnt)
          HD 4870 or NV 260 or better (5xxx AMD series are to expensive currently)
          500GB+ OS/Storage Drive (Seagate 7200.12 or WD Black)
          40-80GB SSD Arma2/games Drive (Any Intel Gen2-based unit. Kingston SSDNow 40GB works great for arma2 if your on a budget)
          500W 80+ Rated PS or better. (OCZ modstreams are good budget P.S.'s)


          Thats what I would build at the lowest end to get the most out of ARMA2. Pretty decent OC on these as well. Just a tip, if your going 8GB ram, it simply works better on Intel platforms, AM3 platforms I've found to be finicky with ram and require more tweaking, even when not OC'n.

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          • #6
            Re: New computer?

            Single core CPU is most likely your problem. Minimum requirements says dual core CPU :P When there is missions with larger amounts of AI (over 40) you are going to drop like a rock in the FPS department.

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            • #7
              Re: New computer?

              Originally posted by LowSpeedHighDrag View Post
              By the way any reason you aren't building your own PC instead of buying a pre-built one?
              I'm sure you'll get better deals & cherry pick your options that way?
              So you guys think I should just white box it? I am thinking about buying a new motherboard, CPU, ram, harddrive, and just keeping the case I have. I have a relatively new power supply a friend gave me, so I have that. I also have a DVD-RW double layer.
              Do you guys think the Geforce 9800 will be good enough?
              Is the SSD really worth it?
              I'm planning on keeping Win XP, should I go Win7?

              I will have everything Glory/pain stated, but a older video card and no SSD drive.
              So:
              Intel i3 530 Dual core or AMD X2 250
              Gigabyte or Asus motherboard.
              2X2GB of DDR3-1600
              Geforce 9800GT
              500GB+
              500W 80+ Rated PS or better.

              Let me know.

              Sidenote: It's amazing how much computer have changed. I liked it when I could just buy a 2ghz cpu and know it is better than the 1ghz. It's too confusing now, they need some kind of system where they rate cpus with a numerical rating. I'm never sure if the cpu i'm looking at is a quad core, a triple core, a dual core. I have to wikipedia everything.
              Like the quad core could be rated 4000, dual 2000, and the single core 1000 or something.
              Also, why are the Intel processors so much compared to AMD? Are they four times better?
              "Never forget that you are there to SERVE the soldiers. Listen to your NCOs and always do the right thing." -My Father
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNxHMFjigA"
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce0c6qVnJE4"
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Lpc9vTnqU"
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzc9fB8xPo"
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tdCTP_ae_8"
              "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmoSZgYaFw"

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              • #8
                Re: New computer?

                Just as a guide this is my spec Igor.

                E7400 Core 2 duo 2.6ghz (overclocked to 3.6ghz- Previous gen of Intels i series)
                Asus P5QLE
                4GB Corsair RAM DDR2-800 Matched pair (2x 2GB sticks)
                No soundcard (Onboard RealTek HD)
                Asus ATI 4850 512MB (again overclocked over stock)
                Coolermaster Green 600W PSU
                F1 Samsung SATA Harddrive 7400rpm 600GB
                F3 Samsung SATA Harddrive 7400rpm 1TB
                Seagate 60GB Harddrive IDE (old drive from previous PC)
                DVD RW
                Arctic Cooler CPU fan (for overclocking, stock fan is fine up to 2.8~3ghz)
                Win 7

                For sure my system is behind others here. Makes for a decent referrence point for others I'd imagine.
                If I were to upgrade any components from my system. I'd go for CPU upgrade to a Quad and get more RAM then graphics card. But this is just my own preferrence.
                Also as attractive it is to get SSDrives, I cannot justify the current costs to own one. My F3s works well.
                Last edited by LowSpeedHighDrag; 01-08-2010, 12:04 PM. Reason: addition of texts

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                • #9
                  Re: New computer?

                  Kingston SSDnow 40 GB is $100. It makes a huge difference when flying over cities, even for a cheap ssd as it is. There are better one's, but I think it offers very compelling bang for buck at for arma2.

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                  • #10
                    Re: New computer?

                    You dont whant to spend so much, butt there's a maximun thats is afordable?

                    If you say the max money that can be spent would be more easy to make a rig sugestion ^^
                    ---
                    Edit: And what about ur Power Supply Unit?Will need a new one or the actual can hold the new config ?

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                    • #11
                      Re: New computer?

                      I'm in somewhat the same situation so am reading this with interest.

                      One aspect nobody has brought up: RAM disk; pushing Gigs of geometry into sand seems to work magic.
                      I didn't find many posts on this topic, but the few I found were gold:
                      *"ArmA2 Performance" at Regular Joes'

                      *BiStudios:
                      **part 1 (33 pages) and part 2 (30 pages)
                      **qwetz's "ArmA 2 IO Analysis"
                      **BiS Dev's thread

                      I'm thinking that a) upgrade graphics card and b) RAM disk might be a great combination ... beats ripping the guts out of a working box!

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                      • #12
                        Re: New computer?

                        Only thing with RAM disk is you need to have at least 8 gigs of RAM for it to work the way it should. But again, that is much cheaper than building an entirely new box.

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                        • #13
                          Re: New computer?

                          I'd shy away from thet 9800gt card you have or at a minimum, buy a 2nd and run them SLI (arma2 does support it).
                          See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce...eForce_9800_GT

                          the 9800GT is basically a rebranded 8800GT with a smaller chip fab size.

                          also, TSNotifier works in win7 (I use it).

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                          • #14
                            Re: New computer?

                            I guess I should let you guys know what I ended up doing.
                            I upgraded to a quad core, AMD, DDR3 2GB Ram, reinstalled Win XP, stayed with 9800GT.
                            All-in-all I'm very happy with my system now. I run Arma2 on default, "Normal" and usually get 30+ FPS.
                            So IMO, the CPU makes or breaks Arma2.
                            "Never forget that you are there to SERVE the soldiers. Listen to your NCOs and always do the right thing." -My Father
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNxHMFjigA"
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce0c6qVnJE4"
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Lpc9vTnqU"
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzc9fB8xPo"
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tdCTP_ae_8"
                            "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmoSZgYaFw"

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                            • #15
                              Re: New computer?

                              Sure does. My game runs much better with the extra overclock. Better with Win 7 64bit.

                              TGU Instructor TG Pathfinder

                              Former TGU Dean Former ARMA Admin Former Irregulars Officer

                              "Do not seek death. Death will find you. But seek the road which makes death a fulfillment." - Dag Hammarskjold

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