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  • Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

    Guys, you only need to be in the SL channel if you are an SL or a specialised asset e.g. the 2nd apache in the apache squad.

    A few times now I've had squad members of my own squad talking on SL chat,

    this results in alot more coms than needed

    tell your SL the info, he then decides if the team needs to know or if its information that can be passed to teh commander first rather than to all squad leaders who may or may not need it.

    yesterday I saw 17 people spread between the Team 1 SL channels, how many needed to be there?

    Remember guys, good coms not only means communicating when you need to, it also means knowing when to shhh! :P

    ALSO!

    Pilots

    go to your options, audio, effects, Shove the effects vol DOWN, then your computer volume UP

    its always annoying to hear a squad leader having to tell his pilot where to go via sl chan when there isn't time to type.

    In fact, everyone feel free to do teh audio trick, you'll hear voip and mumble alot more.

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    Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

    i don't mind people beingnin there as long as they don't force center and don't talk when not synced

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    • #3
      Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

      Originally posted by Rudd_medicman View Post
      its always annoying to hear a squad leader having to tell his pilot where to go via sl chan when there isn't time to type.
      Helicopters/Jets and mumble do not cooperate.

      Helicopters are just so loud that mumble gets drowned out; if you turn up the mumble volume to a clear volume for helicopters, then it will be ear-shattering when you are infantry. And when the helicopter is moving, don't even bother.



      The SL channel kind of has to be used for most chopper comms (apart from guiding him in, like telling him "Down, down, a little closer" during that hover...), unfortunately. Make it short and sweet, though.

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      • #4
        Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

        There's an option to reduce background noise in mumble when someone else is talking, I'll have to see where the option is when I get home. It makes hearing mumble in a vehicle clear as day without turning it up.

        The SL channel should NOT be used for chopper comms. The transport SL should be talking to the other SL and then directing his choppers. When they pick up the squad that is also in mumble the squad can talk directly to the pilot via positional. The alternate SL channel was intended for chopper/vehicle comms if I recall correctly.

        Sometimes I will be the mumble guy for a squad or have someone in my squad be in the SL channel for me when I am SL so I don't have to listen to the chatter. I also like to sit in the SL channel and listen when I am doing certain activities but unless I am the voice of the squad I just listen. Optimally one person per squad should talk in SL chat at most, and extra people can listen in if needed.
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        • #5
          Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

          Originally posted by snooggums View Post
          There's an option to reduce background noise in mumble when someone else is talking, I'll have to see where the option is when I get home. It makes hearing mumble in a vehicle clear as day without turning it up.

          The SL channel should NOT be used for chopper comms. The transport SL should be talking to the other SL and then directing his choppers. When they pick up the squad that is also in mumble the squad can talk directly to the pilot via positional. The alternate SL channel was intended for chopper/vehicle comms if I recall correctly.
          I've not seen the background noise reduction, that would certainly fix ground-side comms when in a helicopter.

          However, the comms between pilot and crew are completely severed as soon as the pilot is moving at 5m/s; he can hear mumbling, but it's all so low volume (sounds like they are 50m behind him) that he can't distinguish anything. This means that you HAVE to use mumble SL if not sitting on the ground in the helicopter. Otherwise the pilot will hear absolutely nothing. You don't need to give him an entire speech about how you want to get there over SL, but the grid is best to be given over mumble so that it is not distorted by the rotor sound or by game engine issues like not being able to hear anyone when at speed.

          And we don't want to have a chopper sitting for a minute on the ground waiting for comms to be transmitted.




          Most pilots in mumble are in the SL channel acting as their own radioman, but confirming between their own squad on VOIP who is taking the call before broadcasting on the SL channel. Done properly, everyone gets the information they need for the ride and don't bog up the channel with unnecessary comms.

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          • #6
            Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

            I agree with the idea of having less people chatting at once on mumble SL, and i would even encourage people to stop using in game voice macros. Especially if I'm sneaking into an enemy compound, approaching the hostile FOB radio (with my specialist kit thank you) and have a near dead friendly chase me spamming "HEY I NEED A MEDIC OVER HERE", which in turn draws 4 enemies onto my once undisclosed location killing me inches from my goal.... But that never happens.. does it.. superfly ;)

            Originally posted by Rudd_medicman View Post
            In fact, everyone feel free to do teh audio trick, you'll hear voip and mumble alot more.
            I don't think i could ever turn my effects down. I wouldn't go out to eat without being able to taste. As infantry, especially when being stealthy, having all the coms blowing at once causes you to be unable to hear those footsteps approaching that could have meant the difference between death and a cache kill.

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            • #7
              Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

              I have the games audio setting at about 20% and I have not noticed a difference when playing as infantry.
              You can change the setting while in game so if you need to fly, just drop it down to like 10% and all jet/helo noise stops and then reset it if/when you get shot down.
              I think most important of all is for people to remember that their voice isn't all that distinctive and to ID themselves before they speak.
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              • #8
                Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                I jump in there to relay information because 80% of time people forget to call out the spandrel thats sneaking up behind a tank.
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                • #9
                  Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                  I plea guilty. Sometimes I hop in mumble and join SL channel and then hop in game and don't SL because someone I want to play with is SLing already or I join up with an asset squad or something of that nature. It's not like I'm acting as the SL or for that nature ANYONE is acting like the SL when they are in the SL channel and their SL is in there too. I don't really see the problem with people listening in on SL chatter for better situational awareness if they aren't always talking on SL. Even still, I've had a few times where I need to relay something in the rest of the SL channel and hear someone in my squad already doing it.. hell.. it makes my job easier. Sometimes I'll even ask one my squadmates to be my radio man in the SL channel because I'm either in the sub-SL channel running two+ squads and don't want to annoy everyone, I'm not on mumble, or I don't feel like being in the SL channel at that time.

                  So in the end, I don't see the big deal with other people that aren't CAS and SLs to hop in the SL channel. If the chatter gets too loud, then tell them. I've never had a guy argue with me when I told him to quiet down over SL chat. I do agree that sometimes more people end up communicating over SL than what should be and a lot of people do not know how to communicate correctly over SL channel (TGU? hint hint) so that can be a cause of annoyance. And then the more people in a channel, the more likely it is that one of those persons cannot communication correctly.. so that can be a causation of keeping the SL channel down, but I do not think that is the problem. If people learn when to communicate something to the rest of the SLs and when NOT to communicate something to the SLs, then your problem of too many indians in a channel won't even matters.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                    My reasons are basically the same as Boogy's. Most of the time I will either be SL or using an asset that requires communication so I just figure I'll stay there instead of constantly hopping in and out of it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                      Ironic how mumble was designed to avoid this kind of situation. This is why I tend to avoid the SL channel as an SL, because there are simply too much comms going on all the time.

                      I don't mean to hi-jack the thread, but I'd also like to bring up another point. Please, please, stop relaying so much information. 80% of the time, it is going to be useless and a waste of my comms. I really don't give a crap about the truck all the way up in G3, the enemy sniper in B5, or even the tank in D2. Yeah, when danger is imminent, go ahead and tell the friendly of some enemy asset creeping up on them. Remember, we have the Radio SL for the O-kit and there is always the "k" key to relay such information.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                        One thing on this is you might not care but someone else in that area might, and they might need that info quick. As long as people say what they need to quickly and without interupting people I'm happy.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                          I'm with Chris, I was able to participate in 3 ambushes last night due to a quick heads up over the SL channel I was listening in on as a squad member. All reports were short and to the point and not distracting at all, we followed up with the ambush over local chat and the SL gave a confirmation of the enemy being taken care of in mumble.

                          It may have helped that there were no assets on the map to clutter up the channel :)
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                          • #14
                            Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                            Certain times as CO, I will relay quick intel to all squads, and same goes when SL in the mumble channel, If i see a vehicle(s)/infantry movement of importants out of my range of fire, I will do a quick look at the map and relay the info to other squad leaders if there is no CO, 9 times out of 10 the threat isn't encountered by the other squad leaders, but its a nice way to keep comms open and also to give a heads up, there have been plenty of times I wish I had gotten a heads up from other SL's and I just try and do the same.

                            If a squad member is the designated RTO please let the other SL's know, and if you are just a squad member in the SL channel for listening purposes just don't chime in on everything you see, tell your SL, who will then relay it to the CO if there is one and if there isn't to the SL in the mumble channel.

                            Also if there is a CO there is no reason to bypass him and tell the other squad leaders where enemy contact is or what you have lased because there is a 99.50% chance he is in the SL mumble channel and it kind of defeats what the CO is used for/can be looked upon as being rude.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Do you really need to be in the SL channel?

                              imo one thing that would make SL channel 1000000% better would be indentification of the talker not necessarily name but sqd number or purpose (CAS/airtrans/armour).


                              i've had the (mis)fortune to play with rudd alot so i can recognise his voice, but without being rude alot of you americans sound the same (maybe not the booming dispo) as i'm sure alot of us brits sound alike for you.


                              so without to much technicality of radio protocol a simple "Hello rudd, this is animal, enemy squad right behind you, over" "understood out" would keep uneeded "hey guys there's erm... an enemy, BTR i mean BMP at C4... kp5 or maybe 6, oh its moved now *commence running commentry here*"


                              short, concise, clear.

                              a TGU session on SL comms and usage would be awesome, maybe even use of the other SL type channel for NCOs appointed by SL/FACs for direct comms with aircraft (yes one can dream)
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