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    In a PCPowerplay interview, Lars Gustavsson, Lead Multiplayer Designer, clarified that in “retail [version of BF3] will be everyone can spawn on everyone [in their squad], plus the Recon radio beacon. If you play in Hardcore Mode, we will have the spawn only on the Squad Leader.” Obviously, as Alan Kertz explained, the squad leader will be able to spawn on any squadmates, but who gets to be a squad leader? Lars went on to clarify “whoever creates the squad” will become the leader. Unfortunately, the leader’s hat can’t change heads mid game at launch, but Lars teased ”down the road, who knows [if demotion or promotion will be implemented].”

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    I wouldnt be surprised if this is switched to normal mode after launch
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      Maybe it will be a server side option that we can employ on the TG servers.
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        ”down the road, who knows [if demotion or promotion will be implemented].”
        This would certainly suck.

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          Originally posted by Ven View Post
          I wouldnt be surprised if this is switched to normal mode after launch
          I would be....I think most servers won't use it.

          I agree with Angel though that I hope its a server side option (one not dependent on hardcore mode hopefully)

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            I wonder if BF3 will have options for "mixed servers" - where some hardcore, and some normal options are enabled. That would be really cool, and I think it'd lead to a customized TG experience on our server.
            If we can have 3D dots off, proper maps on, spawn on SL only on .. we're getting to a pretty neat gaming experience!

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            • #7
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              Servers can be "modified" - a lot of the BC2 options appear to be carrying over but will extra stuff like squad spawn mechanics and regen be there? Dunno
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                Originally posted by FBmantis View Post
                Servers can be "modified" - a lot of the BC2 options appear to be carrying over but will extra stuff like squad spawn mechanics and regen be there? Dunno
                Best guess... will that make it unranked??

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                  Re: Hardcore mode has spawn on SL only

                  I'm not sold on SL-only spawning for a 4-man squad... dynamics are totally different w/ 4 vs 6. Might work, might not!

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                  • #10
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                    I am kinda with Whiskey on this one. The one thing I like about open spawn is that it allows the squad leader to actually do stuff. Spawn on SL only turns the job of SL largely into hide and do not get killed.

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                    • #11
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                      I wonder why they decided to allow the SL to spawn on squad members.

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                        Originally posted by WhiskeySix View Post
                        I'm not sold on SL-only spawning for a 4-man squad... dynamics are totally different w/ 4 vs 6. Might work, might not!
                        It certainly deserves a look, but I am not sure.

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                        • #13
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                          Speaking from Alpha I liked it...kept the squad together and slowed down the combat a bit since you didn't have people constantly spawning right at the front line.

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                            Re: Hardcore mode has spawn on SL only

                            Originally posted by Zhohar View Post
                            . . . If we can have 3D dots off, proper maps on, spawn on SL only on .. we're getting to a pretty neat gaming experience!
                            Amen, brother!

                            Originally posted by RedTalon View Post
                            . . . Spawn on SL only turns the job of SL largely into hide and do not get killed.
                            I think you may be underestimating the possibilities created by this scenario.
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                              Re: Hardcore mode has spawn on SL only

                              Originally posted by E-Male View Post



                              I think you may be underestimating the possibilities created by this scenario.
                              No, he's spot on. A 32 man BF2 team had room for 5 full squads, with 2 people left out. Now usually you'd see a couple smaller squads like ARMOR or AIR, but the minimum amount of people you'd have taking a laid back, "don't die" role would be 6 (5 SLs and a commander).

                              A 32 Man BF3 team will have 8 squads, which means hardcore would feature 8 people attempting to stay alive so as to provide a good spawn point. That's a quarter of the team. Particularly in Rush mode, it becomes difficult to maintain a push with a quarter of your firepower (theoretically, in reality our SLs tend to be our more effective players with more experience, so I'd say between 25 and 30% of actual combat power) off the front line.

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