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  • Evening teams...

    Do the admins have any kind of tool that can even teams if they get out of whack?

    Can we set a "mercy" rule on the server to do something about the number of games that are uneven in a row?

    Last night was freaking ridiculous. It was about 10 wins for one side to about 1 for the other.

    Almost consistently throughout the night, 5 players rated 50 were on one side while there were none on the other.

    I can understand if the IHS's want to play a couple of rounds on the same team to polish up their skills, but it gets ridiculous after a while.

    I don't mean a couple of games, but when a whole night is dominated by one side then it really does not make the server very fun to play on.

    I know I will get the usual answers like:

    "It evens out eventually." --it did not tonight.
    "We already have a bunch of threads on this." --then why does this continue to happen?

    I think the only way that this can truly be solved is if we as TG members are aware of the state of the game as we are playing it. If you are one of those uber elite people who have 700 hours of playing time, please just take a second during the round or even after a round or two to see if you could even things out on the other side thus making the games more enjoyable for all. Or if you join the game and notice that you are one of many level 50's on one side and there are none on the other and you are steamrolling then think about switching.

    I hope this helps rid our servers of those very one-sided games.

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    Re: Evening teams...

    Yes, we can help even teams. But with that power comes great responsibility.

    Rank has little to do with player skill, so it's not very fair to assume a rank 50 is more skilled. EVEN THEN, player skill is not a be all end all on our server. Better teamwork can easily win a round. Not saying this is 100% all the time, but teamwork usually works out better than just pure skill. Rank in the game is also more an indicator of time than much else. I consider myself better "skilled" in some areas than some rank 50 players [PROJECT Ipwnzu], but I'm a lower rank. Then what? There's usually two factors in who wins:

    1. Teamwork.
    2. Skill, to a small degree.

    If a team has several really skilled players they can lose on our server. On the contrary, if that same team uses their skill and uses teamwork together, they can dominate.

    Personally, I don't believe in admin's determining who gets to play with who strictly based on skill or IHS affiliation. That's the kind of behavior you see on non-TG servers on occasion, and I, Skud, am not down with that.

    With that in mind, yes, IHS' should keep server balance in mind. It's no secret that some IHS', when they play together in a certain manner, can really make it difficult for the other team. Difficult does not always mean impossible, however. There are "stacked" rounds where the "stacked" team gets rolled, and vice versa. IHS', however, exist to play together and help further TG core values for everyone.

    You are correct in saying that it's up to everyone to help keep things balanced. However, at the end of the day, one team is going to win, and the other is going to lose. The same team winning 10 times in a row does not always, steadfast, mean that there is "teamstack," or too many high ranked players on the same team, or too many "good" players, etc etc.

    For everyone:

    Winning or losing is hardly as important as people seem to make it out to be. But having a good balanced fight is something we value at TG. Sometimes tact and polite attitudes can fix game balance more than an admin. Words like "Please" and "Thank you" are bound to get teams balanced faster than getting upset.
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    • #3
      Re: Evening teams...

      I understand where you're frustration is coming from because I too have been on teams that got rolled multiple rounds in a row just like everybody else here. The problem is that I have a hard time sympathizing with you and feeling the urge to switch teams and help you out when you're constantly spamming the chat with complaints about the teams and berating the other team for not balancing things out 5 minutes into a round. At that point, I don't understand how you could even be concentrating on the game when you're typing that much. You should focus your energy on determining a way to counter what the other team is doing, pulling your squad together and improving the comms on your team. When all else fails, try asking nicely for help. Maybe even put specific players on the spot and see if they're willing to switch and help out. If I yelled at you in chat for an entire round, would you really feel compelled to team up with me?
      "Looking for brahs to come fight crime with me" - Unload



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      • #4
        Re: Evening teams...

        I havent played in a while due to tech problems with my rig, but this topic comes up a lot. I understand where you are coming from, but you cant blame this on the IHS's that play, unless things have changed 180 degrees since I left. If the teams are unbalanced skill wise, IHS members or anyone for that fact cant change slots until the teams are unbalanced player number wise. And I can speak for a lot of the tg members when I say all you have to do is say in chat " hey so and so do you mind switching teams to help even things out? We have an open slot now", and most of the time they will switch. As Voodoo said asking nicely will get you pretty far on the servers with the anyone whereing a TG tag. Myself, being in the 21ST, am very competitave and enjoy playing on a team my fellow 21ST members. Almost as much as I like to kill them.


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        • #5
          Re: Evening teams...

          This is an issue that many of the various games that TG supports has been dealing with since we started. Go back, re-read skud's post and take its words to heart. The COMMUNITY has the capacity to fix the issue without admin intervention, and thats the preferable outcome.

          I have seen the admins have to become fully involved in team-balancing in the past and it's generally not pretty. People who are unwilling to switch on their own volition usually find themselves in hot water for their selfishness.

          Originally posted by VoodooIT View Post
          The problem is that I have a hard time sympathizing with you and feeling the urge to switch teams and help you out when you're constantly spamming the chat with complaints about the teams and berating the other team for not balancing things out 5 minutes into a round. At that point, I don't understand how you could even be concentrating on the game when you're typing that much.
          Therein lies the inherent problem. This is the WRONG attitude to have. As a member of this community, especially those of you in IHSes, you should strive AT ALL TIMES to provide the best possible experience for everyone around you. YOU are the leaders. YOU set the example for others to follow.

          So whats wrong with what voodoo said? If the problem has been there for long enough that someone has to shout about it for five minutes, YOU HAVE FAILED in your duty. I, like nomad, havent played BC2 in a long time, but its no different than any other game i've ever played in the regard that five minutes is four minutes more than you need to fix ANY problem that crops up on the server.

          So discard the attitude. Each of us has a responsibility to police ourselves. Be situationally aware of what is happening on the server. If a balance issue pops up, fix it to the best of your ability. If you cant, jump on teamspeak and ask an admin to restart the server to shuffle the teams, or use whatever else they have in their arsenal to get it done.

          This is a simple problem with a simple solution here folks, but the only ones capable of enacting change is YOU.

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          • #6
            Re: Evening teams...

            BC2 does not lend itself to easy player controlled balancing.I've been on winning teams where people try, and fail to switch for team balance. Generally, after a few rounds, people manage to switch, teams even out, etc. Yeah last night was one of those worst case scenario's, I was on the same losing team, but it did eventually even out merely through attrition. Enough ticked off folks left that autobalance evened things out. Honestly, what I do if I get rolled 3 times in a row and get ticked off, I leave at the end of the round and come back in an hour, or even 30 minutes. No complaints, no comparison of tg tags between teams, no glancing at number of people in teamspeak channels on 1 side vs the other. Life is too short to let a video game ruin my karma :) I play this game for fun, not stress. I get enough of that from poor game physics :-p
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            • #7
              Re: Evening teams...

              For the record, I only played 3 rounds on our server last night. I can't speak for whatever happened the rounds before that.
              "Looking for brahs to come fight crime with me" - Unload



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              • #8
                Re: Evening teams...

                I do not understand whats the big deal about winning or loosing on any public server, but for those who would like to stop another 100 threads on this topic and make pubbing on TG server as pleasant and fair as possible here is an idea:

                1. Randomize team between each round.

                2. Set initial spawn timer to 60 sec allowing people to get into appropriate TS channel.

                3. Problem fixed.
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                • #9
                  Re: Evening teams...

                  This reminds me of my favorite quote,

                  "Adversity is always opportunity"

                  Attitude is everything here. We are surrounded by great players here at TG. No matter how it lays out without teamwork, and concentration, you could easily be on the losing side. I personally like the challenge of trying to best a superior team, it usually puts me on my best game. So if you do find yourself on a team that is losing alot, learn to make lemonade, or maybe shut it down, and have a nice walk outside, instead of all the negativity, which spoils everyones night. Really, why play a game if your not having fun?


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                  • #10
                    Re: Evening teams...

                    Instead of chatting, how about switching in TS and asking politely? I think that has a strong impact on convincing someone to switch instead of typing it in chat. I'll be honest, I don't pay attention to the chat too much. It's simply not a habit of mine. I spend my time focusing on my field of view, not on what people are saying. If I hear your voice asking for a teamswitch, I'm guaranteed to be aware of the request, instead of possibly missing it.

                    Ferris, I have to disagree. Attitude in the request is very important. Do we have a responsibility to make the best experience for everyone in this server? I can't argue against that. But the catch is that I too, want a good experience. I don't mind losing a few rounds, but what I do mind is playing with players who tend to have a bad attitude. Gator, I'm not saying you were having a bad attitude or anything like that because I wasn't even on the server so I wouldn't know. However, we've all seen the situation Voodoo described... a player whining or berating about the teams. I understand their frustration, but being polite goes a long way. Why would I want to play with someone constantly bringing a negative attitude to the team? Losing does not make my experience unpleasant as much as someone with a bad attitude does. If I'm not going to have fun, and I recognize the server is imbalanced, I'd rather quit the server than switch teams.

                    Just to illustrate my point, I remember a moment an IHS member switch TS channels requesting a teamswitch. He had chatted about, but I didn't notice. The fact that he switch TS channels and asked caught my attention.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Evening teams...

                      Gator, some people aren't as observant about some things. Give them the benefit of the doubt and speak as if you might be informing them of something they haven't noticed rather than something they are ignoring. I think this may get you better results.

                      Voodoo is a cool guy who I've seen put effort into making the BC2 server a balanced and fun place to play. Not a guy I imagine myself preaching at for perhaps wording a forum post poorly.

                      It would be nice if more people would try to take an active role in balancing teams. But they do a pretty good job on the BC2 server.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Evening teams...

                        This topic makes me snooze.......

                        Jeez enough already/

                        I deserve a ribbon for Mortar Specialist

                        Artillery conquers and infantry occupies.
                        J.F.C. Fuller

                        Proud to have been a member of the 5th, 71st and my beloved 19th

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                        • #13
                          Re: Evening teams...

                          This does come up all the time and I was playing last night during that butt whooping. I did notice that Voodoo and either Abel or Badger switched to our side at some point. We ended up winning the round they switched and I logged after that. As much as it's frustrating to get steam rolled I also enjoy playing against the better players because it's more of a challenge. I think the better players just have to be aware of what's going on and be prepared to switch if they notice that Britt, Voodoo, Badger, etc are on the same team. Just one of those better players can make all the difference, however I've been on teams with a bunch of pubs and people that I don't consider to be twitchy and we've beaten a team with a number of players I consider to be good so it goes both ways.

                          I feel your pain but I'm not sure there's a simple solution to this and I think in the end it's up to members to just be aware of what's going on. With that said, I def think the best thing to do is go into TS and ask some of them to switch. If they're like me they'll want to be on the other team otherwise how will you knife the good players?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Evening teams...

                            Originally posted by Bear61 View Post
                            So if you do find yourself on a team that is losing alot, learn to make lemonade

                            lol!

                            I deserve a ribbon for Mortar Specialist

                            Artillery conquers and infantry occupies.
                            J.F.C. Fuller

                            Proud to have been a member of the 5th, 71st and my beloved 19th

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                            • #15
                              Re: Evening teams...

                              Admin intervention, especially randomizing, is overkill and unnecessary IMHO.

                              Individual games may on occasion be lopsided, but it's not a systemic problem. Sometimes a supersquad gets together and rolls the other team for a couple maps, it happens. But I tend to think that in general people do a pretty good job of evening teams up.

                              Last night was an extreme in my experience. The first hour I played most maps went one way, the second hour they went the other. Yeah it's annoying when it happens, but moving players around every couple maps breaks up squads and disrupts team play. And there's a lot of enjoyment that can be found in good squad play even if your team is losing.

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