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  • Hostage Injury acceptable???

    OK id like to know where we stand on HE grenades being thrown in Hostage rooms.

    Over the last few weeks I have noticed on Militia, Office and Havana CT's have been throwing grenades into the Hostage areas resulting in mainly the hostages being hurt but in some cases being killed. I had a few conversations about this online last night but I thought the forums were the best place for this discussion. Surely it is the job of the CT's to rescue the hostages without harm if possible.

    An example of this was in Militia last night when the CT's threw grenades into the garage via the window, the first time one hostage was killed and the second time they were both hurt, now the grenade's in both cases did take out the T's who were in the garage and the CT's won the game but in doing so had severely caused injury or death to the Hostages. . Secondly on Havana the CT's which team I was on threw grenades into the window area near the back of the atrium which resulted again in the Hostages being hurt ( not killed may I add).

    I am not talking about hostage death here as that is unacceptable - but where do we stand on Hostages being injured and is it right for the CT's to be bombarding hostage areas with HE grenades?
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    Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

    Originally posted by Sheriff
    I am not talking about hostage death here as that is unacceptable - but where do we stand on Hostages being injured and is it right for the CT's to be bombarding hostage areas with HE grenades?
    What are your guidelines for hostage treatment?
    It's important for everyone to realize that hostages are an important objective in this game. Terrorists are supposed to protect the hostages. After all, isn't that what is keeping the ct's from just blowing them up? CT's are to rescue them. Therefore, "hostage wounding" is forbidden. Hostages are NOT to be thought of as nothing more than shields to hide behind. It's inevitable that a terrorist will end up in a situation where the only cover he has from a CT is a hostage, and that's OK, CT's should NEVER be using hostages as cover.

    It is in the interests of both sides to keep hostages alive. If you throw HE nades near hostages, or if you shoot blindly into a hostage area, do not be surprised if you are slayed or kicked. If you continue to do it, do not be surprised if you are banned from the server. It is absurd to suggest that anyone in a hostage area cannot blindly shoot out. This does not put the hostages in any danger, whereas shooting into the same area can injure or kill hostages.
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    • #3
      Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

      If a player harms a hostage by throwing HE nades in stupid places, they can expect to be slayed or kicked. If they persist, they can expect to be banned.

      Where we stand on hostage wounding, is that it's unacceptable. Accidents happen, but that applies stray rounds in the heat of battle.
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      • #4
        Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

        Theres one thing the SOP dosent seem to cover, what if a CT has the hostages in tow, is it then acceptable for hostage fatalitys Of course the target being the CT, but if ya drill a few ho's that get in the way why would the T care, there hostages.

        And a little off topic, but sometimes CT's IRL dont give a crap about the hostages just nailing the T's, Israili Mosads Spec Op's, and the former russian spetznaz being two that come to mind. Not implying a change to the rules, just pointing it out, Mosads been known to blow a building to pieces with hostages still inside.
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        • #5
          Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

          That was my point exactly, which I executed over the mic's last night - what I was being told was " I know where I am throwing the grenades so they wont hurt the hostages".

          Well you obviously don't.
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          • #6
            Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

            Don't hurt the hostages. Really, it's not that hard to grasp.

            Yes, a stray round might hit them in the heat of battle, but you should be making every effort to keep each and every hostage alive and intact (that goes for both teams).
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            • #7
              Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

              Originally posted by NoirAngel
              Theres one thing the SOP dosent seem to cover, what if a CT has the hostages in tow, is it then acceptable for hostage fatalitys Of course the target being the CT, but if ya drill a few ho's that get in the way why would the T care, there hostages.
              Actually, that is well covered in the forums.

              T's wait for the shot. Period. Mowing down hostages to get to the CT will get you kicked/banned.

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              • #8
                Re: Hostage Injury acceptable???

                Originally posted by TG_Mateo
                Mowing down hostages to get to the CT will get you kicked/banned.
                Not to mention, the way the game works...if 2 are rescued and a CT is escorting another two out and a T comes up and mows down the 2 hostages and the 1 CT (lets say hes the last alive....well..even if he isnt) two things happen
                1)the Terrorist gets auto-kicked for killing too many hostages (as mateo pointed out)
                2)the CTs automatically win the round because there are no more hostages left to rescue...

                in conclusion

                Originally posted by TG_Mateo
                Wait for the shot.

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