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    I was on de_train as CT. I saw the bomb on the bomb carriers back. I had CONFIRMED the bomb was on his back as well, so I went to kill him to get it. I was told this is not the right way to play, so I am taking it here to reassure myself. Is it OK to do that, as long as the bomb is confirmed in a location? It was slightly across the "boundaries", but I did see the bomb. I was under the assumption that this was ok, but if it is not, then please correct me in my wrong doings :)



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    Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

    Originally posted by Sniper
    I was on de_train as CT. I saw the bomb on the bomb carriers back. I had CONFIRMED the bomb was on his back as well, so I went to kill him to get it. I was told this is not the right way to play, so I am taking it here to reassure myself. Is it OK to do that, as long as the bomb is confirmed in a location? It was slightly across the "boundaries", but I did see the bomb. I was under the assumption that this was ok, but if it is not, then please correct me in my wrong doings :)
    Did you communicate to your team that you had definite eyeball on the bomber? Did you tell them you were going to go after the bomber, and give clear details on where this was happening? Did you have sufficient team strength for these actions? Was the bomber alone or with too few escorts to give you serious trouble?

    Your actions could have been right or wrong. It depends on the answers to questions like those I just asked you.

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    • #3
      Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

      Did you communicate to your team that you had definite eyeball on the bomber?
      I belive I said I think I see the bomber, threw some flashes and a smoke, and grenade, and went to get him.

      [QUOTE]Did you tell them you were going to go after the bomber, and give clear details on where this was happening?[\QUOTE]

      It was kind of fast paces after he ran by. I don't quite remember what I was saying, but the when I saw the bomb drop to my feet after killing him, I yelled at my remaining 3 teammates that the bomb was down at my feet.

      [QUOTE]Did you have sufficient team strength for these actions? Was the bomber alone or with too few escorts to give you serious trouble?[\QUOTE]

      Remaing teammates was about 2 or 3. The bomber seemed to be alone, though he did have 1 teammate backing him up. It would not have given me serious trouble to get the bomb.


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      • #4
        Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

        if we are going to say that you can go after the bomb if you see it on somebodys back then this WILL lead to spawn rushing on maps where you can see other teams spawns from where you are. if the bomb is on the ground, then yes, the whole team should be there to cover it. but if the bomb is on somebodys back halfway across the map you shouldn't got rushing after it. in my oh so holy opinion of course.

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        • #5
          Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

          This guy was not even 10ft away from me Phantom. A map away and 10ft away are 2 majorly different things.


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          • #6
            Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

            Sounds risky to me, as two or three teammates left to guard two bombsites against multiple opposition... phew... you bastards better be good. :)

            But the past is the past. The reason you're asking this question is so that you know how to play both acceptably while aggressively in the future.

            Look to Root's questions. If you've got the defensive support/communication and a perceived advantage, I'd say go for it. But if any of that is lacking, I'd say you're cruisin' for a bruisin'.
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            • #7
              Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

              Originally posted by Wyzcrak
              Sounds risky to me, as two or three teammates left to guard two bombsites against multiple opposition... phew... you bastards better be good. :)

              Pssh I was alive wyz.

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              • #8
                Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                The bomber should have an escort so attacking the bomber on your own should be very risky, so unless you are in a particularly advantageous position I would wait for back-up.

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                • #9
                  Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                  I don't think a bit of aggressive play on the part of the defense once the bomber is positively identified is a bad thing. I think that the problem comes when the bomber retreats and the CT's chase him. That is most definitely not PCS play...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                    Originally posted by RandomGuy
                    The bomber should have an escort so attacking the bomber on your own should be very risky, so unless you are in a particularly advantageous position I would wait for back-up.
                    Conventional wisdom says the bomber should always have an escort - as big as possible. However, if a team *plans* to have a lone bomber sneak in and plant, whilst the rest of the team are assigned positions from which to cause distraction, I certainly wouldn't tell that team they weren't playing PCS. I'd be even less likely to say anything if their plan suceeded.

                    Originally posted by IceCold
                    I think that the problem comes when the bomber retreats and the CT's chase him. That is most definitely not PCS play...
                    Depending on the answers to the questions I asked in response to the original post, it might well be PCS to go after the bomber when they retreat. This is where I feel the.....confusion comes from amongst our members. It's not the act of chasing the bomber that is or is not PCS, it's the motive *and* circumstances of the player chasing the bomber. Just because PCS is subjective doesn't mean we shouldn't try and give clear examples, and this is a good example.

                    I agree with Wyz - the circumstances detailed in the original post make chasing the bomber an unsafe proposition for a team that wants to complete the objective. Change the circumstances slightly (such as 2 more CT's alive), and suddenly it becomes acceptable, or even smart to chase the bomber. If there are team mates in position to ambush the bomber as they run from their pursuer and it's even smarter. Communication is the key to completing the objective in every situation.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                      this only works on server 2 cause you know the pubbies on server 1 would hear "going after bomb once" and use that to justify spawn rushes. however knowing you and the fact that you can probaly take any 2 or 3 guys easy and if the bomb was right there clearly the t was taunting you and he deserved whatever he got. WAITWAITWAIT, i jsut recalled, did you die right after that? or was that a diffrent round cause i think i was playing with you on one of my many crazy names at the time, ya, i was. no one could call that rushing, you were barley out of long a. and the bomb was down by the time anyone could point a finger.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                        Originally posted by Root
                        Originally posted by IceCold
                        I think that the problem comes when the bomber retreats and the CT's chase him. That is most definitely not PCS play...
                        Depending on the answers to the questions I asked in response to the original post, it might well be PCS to go after the bomber when they retreat. This is where I feel the.....confusion comes from amongst our members. It's not the act of chasing the bomber that is or is not PCS, it's the motive *and* circumstances of the player chasing the bomber. Just because PCS is subjective doesn't mean we shouldn't try and give clear examples, and this is a good example.

                        I agree with Wyz - the circumstances detailed in the original post make chasing the bomber an unsafe proposition for a team that wants to complete the objective. Change the circumstances slightly (such as 2 more CT's alive), and suddenly it becomes acceptable, or even smart to chase the bomber. If there are team mates in position to ambush the bomber as they run from their pursuer and it's even smarter. Communication is the key to completing the objective in every situation.

                        Root
                        You're right. I guess I should've said that it's usually a bad tactical move for the CTs to chase the bomber once it's spotted. And that once the location of the bomber is again unknown, that the CTs should immediately return to the defense of the bombsites.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                          Well the thing about this was the bomber was trapped in the corner and couldn't get across without being shot at, So I went and got him. IF he had ran and escaped, I would not have gone for him. I would have just gone back to the main bomb site


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                          • #14
                            Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Which is correct? (PCS style play)

                              Originally posted by IceCold
                              You're right. I guess I should've said that it's usually a bad tactical move for the CTs to chase the bomber once it's spotted. And that once the location of the bomber is again unknown, that the CTs should immediately return to the defense of the bombsites.
                              And you're right. Conventional wisdom dictates against snipers actions.

                              Cerevox - I'm a bit confused by your post, so I don't know how to respond, other than to say that there are no pubbies on server 2. They are all members of TG unless you're still peddling the password along with the heronin on street corners :D

                              Oh and if a PCS player acts in the sort of ways mentioned in this thread on server 1, the only people who would be complaining would be the non-PCS players who were caught out. I've ordered CT's across the bridge on aztec before because the last guy left has been shooting at me from the T side of double doors and he had the bomb, and my team were mostly TG regulars / members. We will not tolerate fragmonkeys or deathmatch on our servers, but true PCS players are no longer as restricted as was previously the case. The thing to remember is that most people here are not PCS players yet. Knowing the rules doesn't make you a PCS player.

                              Root
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